Ultron Sigma vs Dark Kahn (Marvel Vs. Capcom VS Mortal Kombat): Round 1 Fight Blogs

 

"I believe the root of all evil is the abuse of power.” - Patricia Cornwell

Ultron Sigma, the Perfected Infection of Ultron and Sigma onto the universes of Marvel VS Capcom

Dark Kahn, the King of Kombat merged from Shao Kahn and Darkseid of Mortal Kombat VS DC Universe

From the days where we were little more than savages fighting over food with sticks, to the many wars between nations or even across the world, the nature of Kombat is forever ingrained in the blood of all. Shedding that blood is something nearly all fear, but when you come across one who relishes off of bloodshed, you’ve truly found one of the most evil beings in the universe. However, what if that evil was replicated in another universe, and upon meeting, they merged into a being with their bloodlust squared upon itself? That would be no game whatsoever, but when these kings of crossover fighting games meet, only one (or rather two) of their evils will walk away.

Round 1: FIGHT!!! (bout time this was used for a fighting game blog)

Before We Start…

Since both Ultron Sigma and Dark Kahn are pretty spread out in terms of what actually analyzing them means, let’s quickly cover how we will handle both.

Ultron Sigma

Ultron Sigma is the more simple character to analyze. We will obviously be taking his original game appearance in Marvel vs Capcom: Infinite, but also be looking at all prior entries in the series for scaling and other purposes. This includes other relevant side media, such as comic tie-ins to the games or other titles in the timeline. Two factors to note early on will be the potential of cross-scaling back to Marvel’s comic multiverse and the many Capcom series represented in the MVC series. For both cases, we will discuss that later in the blog, but Marvel scaling will not be accounted for (mostly), while Capcom's will be looked at.

Games and media looked into:

• X-Men: Children of the Atom

• Marvel Super Heroes

• X-Men Vs Street Fighter

• Marvel Super Heroes Vs Street Fighter

• Marvel Vs Capcom: Clash of Super-Heroes

• Marvel Vs Capcom 2: New Age of Heroes

• MVC2 Story from the Japanese Dreamcast Manual

• Marvel Vs Capcom 3: Fate of Two Worlds

• MVC3 Comics

• Ultimate Marvel Vs Capcom 3

• Marvel Vs Capcom Origins (consists of MSH and MVC1)

• Marvel Vs Capcom Infinite

• Marvel Vs Capcom Fighting Collection: Arcade Classics

• Marvel and Capcom Original Media when applicable

Dark Kahn

Compared to Ultron Sigma, Dark Kahn is a bit more odd to analyze. His original game, Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe, is definitely the primary source, similar to his robotic adversary. Similar to him as well, we will be taking all of his prior history in the series and the many Mortal Kombat games into account, as well as their side media. This is because there has been direct confirmation from developers that MK vs DC is meant to be canon. That also includes currently produced media for the series, like Mortal Kombat 11 and MK1 as well as supplementary media, since Dark Kahn is Shao Kahn and obviously has his scaling. On the side of Darkseid, we will look at the Injustice series (games and comics) due to various details implying this version of DC was the one that crossed over with Mortal Kombat. This leads into scaling to Injustice and DC Comics proper through it. We will discuss all of that later in the blog (as well as the inclusion of Injustice to begin with), but mainline DC scaling will not be used.

Games and media looked into:

• Mortal Kombat VS DC Universe

• Mortal Kombat VS DC Universe: Beginnings

• Mortal Kombat 2

• Mortal Kombat 2 Comic (1993)

• Mortal Kombat 3

• Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 

• Mortal Kombat Trilogy

• Mortal Kombat: Deception

• Mortal Kombat: Armageddon

• Mortal Kombat 9

• Mortal Kombat X

• Mortal Kombat 11/MK11: Aftermath 

• Mortal Kombat Legends: Battle Of The Realms

• Injustice: Gods Among Us (2013 Game)

• Injustice: Year One - Five

• Injustice: Year Zero

• Injustice: Ground Zero

• Injustice 2 (2017 Game)

• Injustice 2 (2017-18 Comic)

• Injustice (2021 Film)

• Injustice Vs. Masters of the Universe

Both

We should clarify a bit more what using all of this means. Any and all arcade endings from any games they apply to will be taken into account for the most part. While they are technically non-canon in and of themselves, they are all still examples of what could happen in their respective canon, and many of them showcase important details relevant to the debate. Circular scaling to all the fighters in each game will not mean much, and these two are top dogs in their worlds anyway (aside from people similar to them, which will be given more scrutiny). Finally, while the debate is Ultron Sigma vs Dark Kahn, we will also be looking at Ultron and Sigma vs Darkseid and Shao Kahn, in that we will analyze inherent abilities of the fighters before their fusing. While they don’t demonstrate some of these personally, since they are fusions of characters, they should logically have the same tricks the original fighters did, and they will be listed as well/factored into the debate.

Sources Used:

• VS Battles Wiki

• Marvel VS Capcom Wiki

• Mortal Kombat Wiki

• Akuma vs Shao Kahn G1 Blog (Accessed via Wayback Machine)

• Reaper vs Noob Saibot VSBA Blog

• Galacta Knight vs Vergil G1 Blog

Finally, massive thank-you to all of those who helped. Thanks to Riley and Floorgor for the art, Yerm for media lists, and Raptor for helping with calculations. 

Enough of that though, let's get into it!

Background

Ultron Sigma

“We are born of two universes--each of them imperfect, each of them afflicted with the cancer of organic life. From their ruins, a new universe shall be forged, in the fire of the stones of reality, and space--all life remade in our image, in steel, free from the flesh. We are Ultron Sigma…we are your god.”

Ultron, Marvel’s mechanical mass murderer. Sigma, the general of genocide from Mega Man X. These two robots from the universes of Marvel and Capcom share the same goal; the destruction of humanity, so that machines shall dominate under their rule. They seem quite similar, and a meeting between them would either result in a brutal battle to the death, or perhaps… an understanding. In this timeline, such a meeting occurred where they merged into one being that would threaten all of reality as the perfected infection upon the universe: Ultron Sigma.

It all starts with a meeting between Lady Death and Jedah Domah. Jedah believed that if both the universes of Marvel and Capcom were unified, it would create a perfect balance of life and death. This intrigued Death, but she felt that such an undertaking would require the six Infinity Stones for that to happen. She would give her greatest simp Thanos the task of gathering the Infinity Stones for her, which meant gathering the Reality Stone from the Capcom universe to add to her Space Stone. Sadly, they couldn’t reach through universes, since the wall bordering both of theirs was impenetrable to get past. Thanos enlisted Ultron to do this through the technology of Abel City from Mega Man X, which rivaled the Infinity Stones themselves. Ultron would enter Cyberspace as a virus and meet a similar threat in Sigma, but rather than rewrite each other out of existence, they became impressed with each other's metal and mettle. Sharing a goal, that being the extinction of humanity, they formed an alliance behind Thanos’ back. When showing Thanos Sigma’s laboratory, Ultron then took Sigma’s core and fused it with his own through the Reality Stone, becoming the unified being known as Ultron Sigma. 

Not tolerating their defiance, Thanos fought Ultron Sigma, but would ultimately lose to the two machines in Ultron’s body. Ultron Sigma would then take the Space Stone from Thanos, and with the combined power of both the Space and Reality Stones, he would converge both the universes of Marvel and Capcom, as well as getting an upgraded unified mechanical form. Over the course of 88 days, Ultron Sigma would conquer Xgard (the combined city of Asgard from Marvel and Abel City from Mega Man X), infecting the Asgardians with the newly upgraded Sigma Virus that would make them serve under his command. With an army consisting of infected Asgardians and Ultron’s drones, the heroes of Marvel and Capcom came together to attack and reclaim Xgard, as well as save Thanos from Ultron Sigma’s capture, but were overwhelmed by his power and his forces, forcing them to retreat with Thanos. 

Ultron Sigma would continue to remain a thorn in the side of the heroes of Marvel and Capcom; even successfully infecting and corrupting Thor, the god of thunder and prince of Asgard himself. He would even rematch Thanos, but lost against him and ensured the Reality Stone was cracked in their encounter. This charade got to the point where Ultron Sigma’s gravitron core on Knowmoon would explode and infect the heroes of Marvel and Capcom with the Sigma virus. With only hours to spare, the heroes banded together once again to destroy Ultron Sigma. Eventually, Dante would give Ultron Sigma the Soul Stone, with the fusion thinking they would become even more powerful with it. However, since they had no soul, it wouldn’t work on them. He would then transform into his most powerful form, Ultron Omega, but after a long and grueling battle between both sides, he was outmatched. Mega Man X, with the combined might of the remaining Infinity Stones through the Infinity Buster and the strength of the heroes of Marvel and Capcom channeled into him, destroyed Ultron Omega and ended his reign forever. The universes of Marvel and Capcom would continue to remain merged due to the Reality Stone being cracked earlier. So while Ultron Sigma may be gone, his influence on both universes remains everlasting.

Dark Kahn

“You seek to destroy me… good. Give in to your Rage, unleash your aggression. FIGHT!”

Darkseid, the arch-nemesis of the Justice League. Shao Kahn, Konqueror of Mortal Kombat. These two tyrants from the Mortal Kombat and DC Universes share the same goal, to conquer their entire respective universes and rule everything. Such was their lust for power and battle that, when they met, both worlds would kneel under their might, but what caused the unification of both of these conquerors?

It all began after their respective defeats. With the defeat of Shao Kahn after his invasion of Earthrealm, he retreated with Quan Chi back to Shinnok from his defeat. However, he would encounter Raiden, who would attack him for violating the rules of Mortal Kombat. Before Quan Chi could desert Shao Kahn to leave him to Raiden, Shao Kahn would attack him instead. Raiden would prevent this encounter from going any further by zapping Shao Kahn with his lightning, falling into a portal created by Quan Chi and supposedly dying from the explosion of both combined energies. Meanwhile in the DC Universe, Darkseid had been defeated by Superman after his invasion of Metropolis with his army of Parademons. After Superman learned about Lex Luthor’s alliance with Darkseid, he would use this distraction to escape through his boom tube. Even so, Superman hit Darkseid with his laser vision, making the boom tube destabilize and supposedly killing him. Given that this portal malfunction happened simultaneously in both universes, this would cause Shao Kahn and Darkseid to merge into a single being, Dark Kahn. 

This merger between the two wasn’t perfect, as Dark Kahn struggled to pull himself together given the fragmented memories both beings had. This would then make him so enraged that in a deafening thunderclap and blinding yellow light, he would begin to merge both the universes of Mortal Kombat and DC with their own energy called Rage. Over the course of the events of this merger, Dark Kahn would sit back and witness fighters from both universes fight it out under the influence of Rage. This eventually would lead to the heroes and villains of the Mortal Kombat and DC universes to meet at the combined realm of Apokolips and Outworld, where they would first meet Dark Kahn. Dark Kahn’s power over them would let the Rage overflow on both sides as he sat back and let them fight it out. 

After all that, Superman and Raiden would be the last two standing against Dark Kahn. Realizing that they are not enemies, Superman and Raiden used the Rage to their advantage and defeated Dark Kahn. This defeat would separate him, bringing both universes back to the way they were, and causing Rage to disappear. Both Shao Kahn and Darkseid would end up in each other’s universe after their defeat, but neither of their powers would work in each other's worlds, leading Shao Kahn to be imprisoned in the Phantom Zone and Darkseid to be imprisoned in the Netherrealm. Nevertheless, no one challenger possesses the might, the will, or the KOMBAT RAGE to stand up to Dark Kahn. 

Experience & Skill

Ultron Sigma

While Ultron Sigma’s reign lasted for only 93 days, he proved himself a worthy fighter and leader of an entire army during that time; taking command of Xgard and having an entire army of Ultron Drones and Asgardians by his side. He is very proficient when it comes to combat, whether disarmed or with his sword, and also has a wide variety of options for long ranged combat. Since Ultron Sigma also has the power of the Reality and Space stones with him at all times, he can also use them to their advantage in battle. 

With this knowledge and power behind him, the merged virus has torn through hordes of heroes from both Marvel and Capcom without breaking a sweat, including various martial artists or millennia old Gods like Thor, who has, quote, “fought battles like this when Midgard itself was but a babe.” In fact, the first thing that Ultron and Sigma did when they were unified into a single being, and before they received their upgrade using the Infinity Stones, was attack Thanos of all people. Despite the Mad Titan being hailed as a threat to the Avengers, Ultron Sigma managed to come out on top. With that being said, Ultron Sigma doesn’t exactly learn or adapt to his opponents to better his skills, but with his overwhelming power and combat knowledge, he has what he needs to prove himself a worthy conqueror.

Dark Kahn

Dark Kahn doesn’t have many instances of direct combat experience, besides his fight against Superman and Raiden. But in that fight, Dark Kahn uses his overwhelming power to combat both of his opponents. Dark Kahn can also use the power of Rage to corrupt his opponents and make them aggressive towards each other, as well as boosting their own attack power. While Dark Kahn’s skill may seem rather basic and his experience being rather minimal, he’s shown to be an effective threat against the universes of Mortal Kombat and DC. Of course, he would still be the combined embodiment of the skills of Shao Kahn and Darkseid, who are master martial artists/warriors several millennia old. 

Specifically, Shao Kahn is a master of two forms of martial arts, Tai Tzu, and Lui Hei. Tai Lzu emphasizes extended kicks and fast strikes, while Lui Hei was based off of Xing Yi Quan, which uses movements meant to overwhelm the opponent, with huge bursts of explosive power and aggressive movements. 

Arsenal

Ultron Sigma

Reality Stone

As one of the pair Ultron Sigma wields throughout the game, he can harness the infinite potential of the Reality Stone however he wishes to… well, warp reality. In the game, it is often used for energy homing blasts like the Infinity Surge, as well as various elemental attacks through Infinity Storm such as massive fire blasts, lightning strikes from God, and traveling ice blasts to freeze you in place. Elsewhere in the series, it has also showcased even more abilities, such as turning people invisible at will. Of course, Ultron Sigma’s most famous usage is combining it with the Space Stone to merge Marvel and Capcom’s universes into one; literally rewriting reality on a universal scale. This isn’t an oddity either, as Thanos has stated the Stones embody their namesake and allow “dominion over” their facet of existence. Strangely, the Convergence actually has a negative side effect on magic, like when Ultron Sigma’s actions weakened the magical defenses of Xgard as well as even a mighty sorcerer like Dormammu.

Space Stone

As the second half of Ultron Sigma’s pair of stones, the Space Stone can manipulate Space for several purposes. The Infinity Surge pulls opponents closer in order to force them into combat whether they want it or not, while the Infinity Storm is much more impressive. It traps the opponent in a three-dimensional box that they cannot break out of or move in, which follows them wherever they go. In layman’s terms, it allows the Space Stone’s user to batter them senseless while they can barely move; and when their strikes launch the opponent, they don’t leave the box because it just follows them. It even disables and prevents enemies from teleporting out, like Dr. Strange, who is established as capable of interdimensional travel and can travel to and from the Dark Kingdom at will (Makai merged with Dark Dimension) 

In earlier entries as the Space Gem, it allowed the user to warp space and thus create super-armor that ignored all attacks while its user didn't even flinch (though rapid-fire attacks with enough force can burn it out). In Magneto’s case, he creates a forcefield from his powers enhanced by this to absorb all damage for 7 seconds, even blocking most Super Attacks. As a last note, Thanos’ statement means the Space Stone controls space period, and Ultron Sigma did use it to rewrite space on a universal scale.

Energy Sword

A recurring weapon of Ultron Sigma that originally belonged to Sigma himself. It acts as his primary traditional weapon, using it to dispatch some of the roster and clash with Dante’s Rebellion. Ultron Sigma uses it to dash towards an opponent and slash them like Sigma usually does or to set up a counter, where if the opponent attacks him, he teleports and slashes them with his sword.

Neuro-Inhibitor

According to Dr. Light, the Neuro-Inhibitor is designed to suppress Thanos’s psionic abilities. It’s what helped Thanos remain in captivity under Ultron Sigma’s rule of Xgard. It cannot be removed by conventional means, since Dr. Strange had to use a specific magic spell to remove it.

Ultron Drones

Ultron’s personal army that he commands via hive mind that all act towards a common purpose. In combat, he can summon the drones to deliver a powerful striking blow, fire a laser beam, or to help beat their enemies into oblivion. He clearly holds a huge number of them, given he took over the Heavenly city Asgard and its godly inhabitants rather easily and held that control for an extended period of time, while several dozen fly around to fight his foes separately at a time.

Dark Kahn

Wrath Hammer

Dark Kahn uses Shao Kahn’s own Wrath Hammer by slamming it into the ground to stun his opponent for a couple seconds. He can obviously materialize it in the example shown above, and stow it away elsewhere for when he needs it again, which Shao Kahn by himself can do.

Parademons

Darkseid’s personal minions, which he’s able to summon to his side during battle with his Boom Tubes. They come in a few different types.

• Flying Parademons - Will float in the air behind Darkseid before firing a blast at enemies.

• Charging Parademons - Will directly teleport to an enemy to tackle them to the ground.

• Explosive Parademons - Will teleport behind an enemy before self-destructing.

• Kryptonian Parademons - From his arcade ending, he was able to develop these by taking DNA from Superman. What abilities they have are unknown, aside from him saying they’re now invincible, but since they required Clark to be created they will not be accounted for in the debate.

Soul Syphon

In the crossover comic with the Masters of the Universe, Darkseid was shown to have possessed this. He was able to use it to look through the memories of He-Ro, in order to find the Anti-Life equation which was hidden within his memories. He did manage to successfully learn it using this, though Superman came in to stop him before he could really do anything with it.

Abilities

Ultron Sigma

Sigma Virus Corruption

Acting as the Sigma part of this fusion, Ultron Sigma can utilize the virus of his creator’s namesake. As we see above, upon infection the victim becomes subservient to Ultron Sigma, losing their free will and acting as a pawn. This action requires only physical contact, and spreads through the body in seconds to fully make you a digital slave to Ultron Sigma. Even if he can’t touch you, he can disperse it in a gas-like substance directly like an energy blast at someone like Thor, but the tiniest infection will eventually fully corrupt a being, such as how when Thor got away with the heroes, it only took a little while until he became fully corrupted (Thor is also one of the mightiest players on their team). According to Dr. Light, the corruption of the Sigma Virus can take hours at worst, with no way to suppress it despite the magic of people like Dr. Strange whose powers include Astral (soul) Manipulation, and he used it to corrupt the entire populace of Xgard in a short timeframe.  

Given that Ultron Sigma can fully corrupt someone with the virus instantaneously, like these Asgardian guards shown above, it taking hours to fully corrupt is likely the length it would take for full corruption to occur at the Sigma Virus’s worst. It only took longer on Thor because he stopped the transfer to gloat at Chris, allowing the heroes to escape mostly out of arrogance or just viewing it as inconsequential since he already infected Thor. Should he choose to infect it in a direct battle, it would be closer to the instance shown above. The only instance of the Sigma Virus being purged from someone under its influence is when Thor got a hold of the Soul Stone (universal manifestation of souls) and it fully cleansed him of the Sigma Virus, restoring his free will. It’s also affected massive monsters as well, so size isn’t necessarily an issue to course through people, and he’s quite fond of doing this, being literally stated by the official website as “obsessed” with infecting all life with this Virus to become like him (official profiles say the same thing for the record).

Energy Manipulation

Ultron Sigma has a wide variety of ways to fight from a distance or up close using energy beams. Starting off, he can launch double energy beams from his hands known as Death Ray, as well as the larger and more powerful Super Attack, Destruction Wave. Individually, Ultron’s Protonium Emitter launches energy beams from his mouth when the opponent is up-close,  while his Encephalo-Ray is a combo blast aided by several of his Drones at once. Sigma’s side has him launch the massive fiery Doom Buster, or the energy blast from his face gem known as Blazing Line.

Meteor Shower

Using the combined might of the Space and Reality Stones, Ultron Sigma can summon a portal to rain down powerful meteors towards his opponents.

Final Sigma

In one of his special attacks, Sigma grabs his opponent and with his eye, he takes his opponent into cyberspace as four other Sigma’s beat them up and finish them off by stabbing them as they fall into their four swords.

Flight

Ultron SIgma can obviously fly, either through jets or actual flight, which also helps with moves like Melt Blast.

Teleportation

Simply put, Ultron Sigma can teleport, which is useful for maneuvering around the battlefield or to counterattack. 

Resistances

• Electricity - Endured such attacks from people like Iron Man.

• Soul Manipulation - Ultron, Sigma, and Ultron Sigma are all mechanical beings without a true physical soul (which is why they couldn’t use the Soul Stone) meaning any Soul Manipulation or Soul-related tricks will do nothing to either party. 

Dark Kahn

KOMBAT RAGE

After the blast that fused Shao Kahn and Darkseid occurred in both the MK and DC universes, it created an anomaly known as KOMBAT RAGE. Rage is essentially your standard enhancement buff: it doubles attack damage, but at the cost of losing some health. Kombat Rage is also why characters like Joker can reasonably take on characters like Superman, because it’s explained by Raiden that during the merger, powers were shifting and rebalancing, all because Superman’s power was siphoned to others. Aside from that, Kombat Rage has a lot more weird and interesting side effects than just your typical buff. When under the influence of Rage, it makes you view your opponent as your own worst enemy. This happens various times in the story mode of MK VS DC, like when Liu Kang was under the influence of Rage and saw Batman as Shang Tsung. 

Rage can also swap people around from different dimensions, and it can devour people on an emotional level according to the wizard Shazam (it also drove Kano insane in his ending) so it is consistent. Dark Kahn is shown to have complete control over Kombat Rage, like when he used it to manipulate all the heroes and villains of the Mortal Kombat and DC universes to fight it out. He can charge up his own Rage faster using Enrage, and this source was what he used to merge the Earths from both universes in a global scale event. Because of this, Rage infects one’s very substance, and only masters of mental warfare/combat such as the Guardians of the Universe or Quan Chi can hold this effect back (some have also resisted it directly, such as Superman and Raiden). If left unchecked, it will spread across and destroy both universes, but upon his defeat, the Rage was gone and the worlds separated (more in Before the Verdict).

Existence Erasure

Wonder where some of the other characters were in the game? Well, the tie-in comic revealed that, as a side effect of the realms merging, several of them ended up getting erased from existence entirely. This was done entirely via Dark Kahn simply expelling his energy through a fit of rage, which was able to rip through both universes within an instant. 

Meteor Blast

Dark Kahn fires a meteor from his hands, pretty self-explanatory 

Shield/Projectile Reflection

Dark Kahn summons a shield that appears for a short time, which can reflect projectiles. This is also pretty similar to an ability Kahn has within games such as Armageddon and MK VS DC itself, called Emperor’s Shield, which similarly is a green energy shield that reflects attacks back at the opponent. 

Shoulder Charge

Dark Kahn dashes forward shoulder first to bash his opponent, he can even use his powers to make his shoulder dash go upwards. This move isn’t too dissimilar from Shao Kahn’s pre existing shoulder charge, which is able to cover great distances and extend combos. 

Grab and Punch

Dark Kahn grabs his opponent and charges up a punch that sends them flying away. When enhanced, it makes the opponent spin around.

Lightning Manipulation

Dark Kahn does this ability in the MK Vs DC story mode where he uses this lightning ability to keep Superman down. Beats us what this ability actually is, he only uses it here and it is not in his moveset. Shao Kahn individually can also blast energy in the same game as well.

Projectile Redirection

This is another move Dark Kahn only uses in the story mode as seen above, but he can grab projectiles like Raiden’s lightning and throw it right back at them. Shao Kahn himself has done this in earlier games, so it’s fairly consistent that he can redirect projectiles through his own merit or through energy shields.

Soul Manipulation

The ability to freely manipulate and control souls is Shao Kahn’s bread and butter, and his most well known ability across the franchise. He’s been taking souls left and right for centuries, and given the abundance of power at his disposal, it's no surprise: Shao Kahn has many ways to manipulate his opponent’s soul, such as fusing souls together for creating new Kombatant. He can rip your soul out to kill you instantly, create large Soulnados that can drain all of Earth’s souls, or tether himself to other spiritual beings after death to possess them and live on.

Possession

Even with his entire body destroyed, Dark Kahn’s consciousness can find a new host. He’s done so with scorpion at the end of his arcade ending. This ability is also eerily similar to Kahn himself having spiritually possessed Nightwolf through his guardian animal, as brought up earlier. 

Telekinesis 

Shao Kahn, through the use of soul manipulation, is able to move opponents through the air. This is not too dissimilar to how other kombatants who through the use of soul magic can also telekinetically ragdoll their opponents, such as Shang Tsung and Ermac.

Explosion Manipulation 

One of Shao Kahn’s more niche abilities, Shao Kahn in sheer rage can just… make people explode, which was used against Raiden in the Malibu comics. 

Immortality

Raiden and Shao Kahn both have similar roles to their realms and are considered to be of the same species (Also they are brothers? MK VS DCU is weird, man). With that in mind, it is stated that gods do not truly die, more so dissipate. We see this with Shao Kahn as he’s survived a punch that went through his chest and even his entire body being destroyed in both MK2 and MK3, only to return like nothing happened. This is fairly consistent with other Immortals and their ability to reform after death, such as Raiden regenerating after getting completely destroyed in Deception as well as in the Malibu comics (even though this took a large amount of time), and Fujin regenerating in Mythologies. However, since Dark Kahn flatout died and separated after getting defeated by Superman and Raiden, none of this is applicable to him really.

Blood Manipulation

Both creating and mentoring Skarlet, Kahn is likely on a similar level of mastery when it comes to using blood as a weapon as the red female ninja. Skarlet is able to do many things with her Blood Manipulation, such as absorb it into her skin to gain more strength, turn into blood itself to attack foes and overtake foes, teleport, restore health with a parry attack, create blood tendrils and other constructs/weapons.

 

Realm Merging

After successfully winning a Mortal Kombat tournament and invading a realm, Kahn likes to use one of his most powerful abilities, the ability to merge realms. This allows Kahn to quite literally move two realms together, combining them into one singular entity. Multiple people reaffirm that this process absorbs realms into Outworld in a physical merger, and he did the same to Edenia in the past.

Portal Creation

Like other immortal beings, Shao Kahn has the ability to create interdimensional portals that allow him to make his entrance into the battlefield, a sound retreat, or just invade neighboring realms to begin the process of merging them.

Taunts

With the use of taunts, Shao Kahn is able to inflict debuffs on his opponent. With Humilate, he can decrease the amount of damage his opponent deals, and with Ridicule, he can increase the amount of damage they take.

Omega Beams

Darkseid of course has his most infamous ability, which are these laser eyes that he can adjust the path of at any time. He can also use it as part of his grabs, as an effect while punching, or as a bullshit undodgeable projectile. They also hit with enough force to blast foes into orbit, and their original profile describes them as able to alter, transport, or incinerate anything they come into contact with. In the crossover with He-Man, it’s also established that they have the ability to “deliver the death that is life to anything that dares not bend to [his] will”.

Boom Tubes

Darkseid has utilized these throughout his time trying to take over the DC world, his use of which accidentally led to his fusion. He can use these to transport himself around the world, teleport during battle, summon minions, and bring his opponents to him while his hand grows in size. 

Fires of Apokolips

From the Injustice Mobile game, Darkseid can use this to summon a crater of lava which will burn enemies for a time. 

Shockwave Creation

Darkseid has also been seen creating shockwaves with his punches, which is a consistent effect fighters do in gameplay. 

Resistances

• Mind Manipulation - Darkseid was able to no sell a mental attack from the Sorceress of Grayskull. Shao Kahn debatably resists mental attacks, given Ermac is able to fend off Takeda’s mind manipulation thanks to his overwhelmingly large soul reserve

• Battlefield Removal - Thanks to Shao Kahn’s ability to travel across realms using portals, and Darkseid’s ability to utilize boom tubes and teleportation, Dark Kahn should be fully immune to any BFR attempts.  

• Soul Manipulation - Darkseid was able to reverse Shang Tsung attempting to steal his soul even while powerless. From other immortals such as Raiden, he should be resistant to the Netherrealm tearing its victims souls apart. Noob Saibot also survived the Soulnado, but he has stated he lacks a soul to begin with, which is probably the reason for it.

Forms

Ultron Sigma

Ultron Omega

Ultron Sigma’s final form, where he becomes a mechanical monstrosity of overwhelming power. While lacking in maneuverability like his previous form, he makes up for it in size and power. In this form, Ultron Omega can fire purple balls of energy, beams from his palms, as well as throwing his claws in a circular shaped motion towards the opponent. Simply roaring does damage up close, and he can also use Sigma Virus to corrupt beings through his fists. Ultron Omega is also capable of slowly healing while blocking or summoning Ultron Drones to do his bidding. His fusion and fission, as described by Dr. Light, grants him “limitless power” at the cost of previous self-regulation. Ultron Omega also has four limbs, which are two fists and two claws, both of which can be paired together. 

As if that wasn’t enough, Ultron Omega has access to three powerful moves. The first is firing a large energy beam from the cannon in its mouth. The second (with the pairing of the fist and claw limbs) has Ultron Omega grab the opponent to put them in a bubble, which they then proceed to beat down with their fists and claws before finishing them off by slamming them into the ground and using their claws to drill them further. Last but not least is his most powerful move, where he uses the power of the Reality and Space stones to fire a large energy beam so powerful it practically guarantees victory.

Dark Kahn

None notable

Feats

Ultron Sigma

Overall

• Outmatched Thanos before receiving an upgrade from the Infinity Stones

• Conquered Xgard (the combination of Asgard from Marvel and Abel City from Mega Man X) for nearly 3 months

• Infected countless foes and heroes with the Sigma Virus

• Defeated Thor and Spencer effortlessly

• Overpowered the combined forces of Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Hawkeye, Captain Marvel, Mega Man X, Dante, Spencer, and Arthur.

• Gave us Spider-Man X Morrigan (and any other Marvel vs Capcom pairing really) 

Power

• Summons multiple meteors with his powers

• Overpowered Dante in a sword struggle

• Outmatches Thor and Spencer

• Merged the universes of Marvel and Capcom with the reality and space stones into a single infinite horizon (2 × Universal+, likely 4D, see Cosmology)

Speed

• Reacted to Hawkeye’s arrows flying straight towards him and destroyed it with the reality stone without even flinching.

• Simultaneously caught Captain America’s shield and blocked Mjolnir with it.

• Dodged a photon blast from Captain Marvel.

• In Omega form, caught Dante before he could get away

• Merged the universes of Marvel and Capcom into a single infinite horizon down to their timestreams (Likely Infinite, see Cosmology)

Durability

• Endured getting electrocuted by Iron Man and Spencer.

• Endured a beating from Captain America and Strider Hiryu.

• Survived the full power of the Soul Stone destroying his whole body when it rejected him

• Required four Infinity Stones and the combined strength of nearly every playable character in the game to be killed (See Before the Verdict)

Dark Kahn

Overall

• Merged the Mortal Kombat and DC universes into one

• Successfully erased multiple combatants from both universes from existence 

• Required both Superman and Raiden to team up to take him down

• Caused mass conflict and hysteria to spread amongst the heroes and villains of MK and DC, making them fight each other 

Power

• Shao Kahn broke Kotal’s spine

• Shao Kahn snapped Kung Lao’s neck

• Shao Kahn while fighting Raiden was stated to shake the earth down to its core

• Shao Kahn could push Shang Tsung’s island

• Shao Kahn is consistently able to merge realms together, with realms containing not only planets, but structures surrounding it, such as solar systems, and can also sustain their mergers with his existence. (Multi-Solar System, potentially higher, more in Before the Verdicts)

• Darkseid was able to equally fight Regime Superman 

• This battle was a display of “world crushing dominance” that threatened to rupture the core of Apokolips just as a side effect

• Darkseid blasted his way into Castle Grayskull

• Darkseid is stated to be able to split planets in his battles

• Is strong enough to stomp the ground and create a big shockwave

• Blasted away Superman and kept him down with energy

• Casually redirects Raiden’s lightning

• Merged the Mortal Kombat and DC Universes (190 Zettatons of TNT, 2 × Universal over time, see Before the Verdicts)

Speed

• Shao Kahn can parry Liu’s projectiles 

• Shao Kahn could keep pace with Kitana

• Darkseid can blast people into orbit

• Darkseid killed Zodac faster than he could react

• Blasts both Raiden and Superman before they can react

Durability

• Tanks Raiden’s lightning without a scratch

• Shao Kahn shrugged off getting cleaved by Kotal Kahn

• Similarly shrugged off getting gashed by Kitana

• Then slashed between the eyes

• Darkseid no-selled attacks from the Sorceress of Grayskull

Scaling

Ultron Sigma

Marvel

As the top dog of MVCI, Ultron frequently dominated many of its top tiers, and his general standing assures that he can scale to pretty much anybody across the series.

Spider-Man

• Spider-Man can move fast enough to make afterimages in multiple moves

• Spider-Man swings around anybody, including the massive Sentinel robot

• Along with any player character, can defeat Thanos in 1-on-1 combat

• Spider-Man, along with Chris Redfield, Frank West, and Haggar, survive two explosions that propels them back

• Spider-Man, along with Morrigan (yes that pairing, we’re not kidding) defeat Thor corrupted by the Sigma Virus

• Taskmaster can deflect lasers and Electromagnetic Disruptors from Magneto (68% Lightspeed)

• Other characters can also block and react to Magneto’s EM Pulse in X-Men: Children of the Atom

• This move is 9 frames to cross the stage

Avengers

• Iron Man defeats a wave of corrupted Asgardians in a few seconds

• Iron Man and Captain America match each other in combat, along with Chun-Li and Dante by their side respectively

• Iron Man, alongside X and Zero, destroy the Symbiote monster and Gravitron core using the Time, Mind, and Power Stones

• Iron Man matches Thanos in combat while using the Time Stone

• Hulk smashes the Resident Evil monsters with no challenge

• Hulk slams down akin to a meteor in his gamma crush attack

• Hulk is stated to have “mountain crushing strength” (100 Megatons of TNT) and similarly claimed able to destroy mountain ranges

• Hulk destroyed Dah’ren Mohran

• Hulk blocks a blast from Ultron Sigma’s lhasers

• She-Hulk casually lifts a car over her head

• Iron Fist can level mountains with one strike (100 Megatons of TNT)

• Captain America can suplex people hard enough to make an explosion

• Captain America is fast enough to block a meteor from Ultron Sigma before it could hit Chris Redfield

• Captain America matched Jedah in combat with Ryu and the Soul Stone (Jedah used the Soul Stone)

• Thor freed Dante from Ultron Omega’s grasp alongside X

• Hawkeye survives getting hit by Mjolnir

• Hawkeye matched a corrupted Thor in combat with Arthur

• Hawkeye, alongside Ryu, dodge Jedah’s Spirale Divina

• Captain Marvel, alongside Dante, matched Ultron Omega in combat

• Characters can take War Machine’s many rockets and weapons fired at them

X-Men

• Juggernaut can lift 100 tons

• A Sentinel killed Storm in one attack

• Sabretooth defeated Ryu, Charlie, and Chun-Li

• Magneto killed M. Bison in his X-Men vs Street Fighter ending

• Magneto is stated able to make barriers that can block nuclear explosions, as well as capable of igniting volcanoes (>100 Kilotons of TNT and 7-24 Megatons of TNT)

• Cyclops states he can destroy mountains with his optic blast (100 Megatons of TNT)

• Phoenix has destroyed entire planets (Planet Level) annihilated galaxies (Galaxy Level), and wreaked havoc across the universe

• Storm flies off screen and back to the stage in about a second

• Storm can create hurricanes 

• Wolverine can move fast enough to make afterimages

• At 250% output, the Sentinels neutralized:

• 82 Street Fighters

• 14 Darkstalkers

• 4 Mavericks

• 97 Mutants

• 8 Divine Beings

• 25 “Other”

Fantastic Four

• Doom might have made a pocket universe

Guardians of the Galaxy

• Gamora, alongside Strider Hiryu, take out two Ultron Drones in less than 20 seconds

• Gamora, alongside Strider Hiryu, easily defeat Grandmaster Meio

• Rocket, alongside X, defeats Zero, who is corrupted by Grandmaster Meio

• Rocket drops a giant bomb (that everyone can survive)

• Nova can fly at supersonic speeds and traveled all over the universe

• Nova can fly faster than light (FTL)

• Nova has squashed Galactic Threats

Cosmic Deities

• Shuma-Gorath came from another dimension to destroy all life on Earth

• Shuma-Gorath seperated and grew large enough to form on the planet itself

• Shuma-Gorath has destroyed planets and stars in the Chaos Dimension (Planet - Star Level)

• Shuma-Gorath claims this universe will soon disappear in Dhalsim’s ending

• Shuma-Gorath is lord over Dormammu

• Blackheart summons multiple large meteors in his Armageddon

• Blackheart states he will rule the universe with his power

The Infinity Gauntlet/Infinity Stones (See Before the Verdict)

• Magneto creates a new Moon for mutants, shown identical to our own in size (29.636 Exatons of TNT)

• Shuma-Gorath grows exponentially to where he's interplanetary in size

• Doctor Doom uses the Gaunlet’s power to conquer the universe

• Blackheart defeated Mephisto, destroyed his realm, and conquered the universe

• Thanos surpasses Lady Death; merging with the universe and being able to reshape all of existence (Universal+ and Infinite Speed) 

• Heroes needed Time/Power/Mind Stones to kill Jedah’s Symbiote Monster 

• This monster was made with millions of souls for the purpose of defeating Ultron Sigma while still far from completion, and this same weapon was noted by Jedah’s profile as capable of erasing all of existence

Capcom

As the other side of this legendary crossover, and of Ultron Sigma himself, the raging robot has matched and even outmatched many of the Capcom powerhouses in these games, such as his rival X.

Street Fighter/Final Fight

• Ryu defeats Hulk

• Ryu’s Shin Shoryuken can break off the horn of Dah’ren Mohran

• Chun-Li defeated Kingpin with little to no physical damage

• Chun-li matched Dante and Captain America in combat (See Avengers section)

• Several characters (Chun-Li, Dhalsim, Ken, Sakura) can make afterimages

• Ken creates a large flame pillar in his Shoryuken

• Zangief has a body of steel and can suplex people hard enough to make explosions

• Zangief made an explosion visible from orbit (121.102 Teratons)

• Michelle Heart fought Blackheart disguised as War Machine and Guile fought Juggernaut disguised as Hulk

• M. Bison is on par with Doctor Doom

• Shadow states he regularly breaks the sound barrier (>Mach 1)

• Haggar busts out of glass meant to contain B.O.W.’s

• Haggar matches both Chris Redfield and Frank West in combat

• Chris Redfield and Haggar defeat Nemesis

• Haggar, alongside Frank West, defeat Spider-Man corrupted by the Symbiote

• It’s possible that Spider-Man under the Symbiote’s influence could’ve been enhanced by millions of souls since the Symbiote monster Spider-Man got it from consisted of millions of souls, according to Jedah

Mega Man

• X, alongside Rocket, defeats Zero, who is corrupted by Grandmaster Meio (See Guardians of the Galaxy section)

• X and Zero, alongside Iron Man, destroy the Symbiote monster and Gravitron core using the Time, Mind, and Power stones. (See Avengers section)

• X, alongside Thor, free Dante from Ultron Omega (See Avengers section)

• X is the one to destroy Ultron Sigma while in their Omega form. Though it was through the use of Soul, Mind, Time, and Power stones and the strength of the heroes channeled into him.

Darkstalkers

• Morrigan matches Ghost Rider in combat 

• Morrigan, alongside Ghost Rider, match Jedah in combat while he’s wielding the Soul Stone

• Morrigan, alongside Spider-Man, defeat Thor corrupted by the Sigma Virus (See Spider-Man’s section)

• Jedah dodges an arrow shot to him by Hawkeye, all while attacking him

• Jedah matches Ryu and Captain America in combat (See Avengers section)

Resident Evil

• Chris Redfield, alongside Frank West, match Haggar in combat (See Street Fighter/Final Fight section)

• Chris Redfield, alongside Haggar, defeat Nemesis (See Street Fighter/Final Fight section)

• Chris Redfield, along with Haggar, Frank West, and Spider-Man, survive two explosions that propels them back (See Spider-Man section)

• Wesker can dodge lasers and Electromagnetic Disruptors in several ways (38.2% SOL and 2.72 × FTL, respectively)

Devil May Cry

• Dante, alongside Captain America, match Iron Man and Chun-Li in combat (See Avengers section)

• Dante survives getting stabbed by Jedah

• Dante defeats Jedah

• Dante, alongside Captain Marvel, match Ultron Omega in combat (See Avengers section)

• Dante and Trish directly threatened Mephisto in several MVC3 endings, with Dante also aiming to kill Blackheart

• Vergil is considered one of the most broken and versatile characters. not just in MVC3 but in fighting games in general. (5:03)

• Dante impales his opponents with Devil Must Die (everyone can survive this)

Other MVC Bosses

As the baddest boss of MVC's line-up, Ultron Sigma would no doubt compare to and exceed the prior threats the heroes faced. Similarly, media of the series describes him as the greatest challenge yet, and in general he's always been a cut above everyone, so we'll scale him to the other bosses present. 

• Galactus’ worldship Taa II is explicitly stated as larger than our sun

• The ship also accidentally destroyed Cleveland in Deadpool’s ending (41.15 Gigatons of TNT)

• Galactus’ energy acted as fuel for a portal between the universes at play (as the greatest power source in either world) without any physical issue 

• Galactus destroys a planet if you play as him in his mode or lose to him in the arcade version of MVC3 (1.646 - 3.291 Quettatons, 16% Lightspeed)

• Galactus also destroyed two planets in the bad ending of MVC3, and is noted as the destroyer of Super-Skrull’s homeworld in comic and game quite frequently

• After stealing “a portion” of Galactus’ power, Dr. Doom stated he could force the universe itself to bow at his feet

• Galactus came into being by merging with the consciousness of the universe, and holds power that rivals the Gods that rule this universe. He also states himself that he rules the universe.

Marvel vs Capcom: Canon Feats (Debatable)

Because of numerous facets about Marvel vs Capcom and how accurate it is to both sides of the source material, we will be looking at the histories of Marvel and Capcom individually when it pertains to scaling. Don’t worry, our rule of not leaning on comic scaling is still true, as this is a special case which we will explain later. For Marvel, we will consider events and storylines that they explicitly reference and only those. Anything not spoken of, like Silver Surfer flying fast enough to time travel or Magneto’s Breakworld Bullet business, will not be included. However, if the storyline where this feat happened (provided it is close enough or flatout the issue where it happened) is referenced, it will be looked at. Capcom has much less scrutiny for several reasons, but again, all of this won’t matter too much in regards to the verdict, and we will explain it all Before the Verdict. 

Marvel

• Dr. Doom smashed through a massive castle wall

• Nova (Frankie Raye, one of Galactus’ Heralds) emanated power “similar to her namesake” and traveled multiple light-years in seconds (1 FOE and 31,564,979 × FTL)

• The prior issue that showed Nova’s side noted she was in the Andromeda Galaxy, showed her flying there on-panel, and similarly stated she had the intensity of an exploding star

• While attacking the Skrull Homeworld, Galactus ignores weapons able to destroy a city even while weakened to the point of near-death

• After consuming the Skrull homeworld for multiple hours, this act created a White Hole as large as the planet 

• Galactus literally bonds with the sentience of the universe itself and bears the matchless power of a literal galaxy (Galaxy - Universal+)

• A practically infant Galactus could shatter Planets according to the Watcher

• Hulk shook the Crossroads while battling the U-Foes, which is an infinite dimension with portals to infinite realities (Universal+)

Capcom

• Dante and Vergil slashed several thousand raindrops during a rainstorm; creating an open space where rain doesn’t flow through while they duel (Mach 17 – 1,002.7)

• Dante can dodge and block a laser, even being called one by the guidebook. (1.2 - 6.3 times FTL)

• Dante flew past multiple stars in a space Mundus created while fighting him (26 – 9.8 million times FTL)

• Dueling Mundus also allows him to scale to his turning the Earth into a second Demon realm, his defeat nearly collapsing the demon world, and creating that space to fight Dante with in the first place (Universal and 587 Quadrillion times FTL)

• Viewtiful Joe defeated Jet Black and his mech, which could push multiple planets away with a shockwave attack (3.42 Quettatons of TNT) 

• Pyron has crushed stars (Star level) and wears planets as jewelry

• Amaterasu spun a Galaxy with her Celestial Brush (1.59 GigaFOE and 69.38 Trillion x FTL)

Dark Kahn

Mortal Kombat VS DC Universe

As the primary threat to both of these merged universes, Dark Kahn would obviously scale to practically any character present, given it took the strongest in Superman and Raiden to defeat him, even after they discovered a way to overcome the merger. This mainly extends to everything shown in-game, and more composite looks at Mortal Kombat/DC will have their own sections. 

Mortal Kombat

• Quan Chi survives a blow from Shao Kahn’s Hammer and being in one of the rifts combining the worlds

• Sonya Blade defeats Shazam and Green Lantern

• Liu Kang dodged a sneak kick from Kitana by sensing her Chi

• Liu Kang dodged strikes from and defeated Sub-Zero, as well as Scorpion, Flash, and Shang Tsung

• Sub-Zero defeats Deathstroke, Batman, and Scorpion

• Shang Tsung defeats Liu Kang and Superman

• In Scorpion’s ending, Dark Kahn’s spirit and power merged with him to become the most powerful being in the universe… if he survives the merger 

• In Liu Kang’s ending, Raiden unlocked the secrets of the Rock of Eternity to make him a champion of Shazam, but powered by Gods such as him and Fujin

DC Universe

• Batman defeats Scorpion and Liu Kang

• Flash defeats Catwoman/Deathstroke and dodges Kano’s eye laser

• Flash is able to travel at nearly the speed of light

• Lex Luthor defeats Flash

• Green Lantern teleports to dodge Shazam’s Lightning before it hits him

• Wonder Woman defeats Shang Tsung, Kitana, and Shazam

• Wonder Woman blocks gunfire from Jax

• In Shazam’s ending, he met and absorbed the powers of the Elder Gods to become even stronger

Mortal Kombat Universe

Due to Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe being an official installment in the saga that Kronika simply rewrote, apparently, we can compare Dark Kahn to anything that came not just prior to the game, but after as well through Shao Kahn. Any qualms regarding games releasing after MK VS DCU could be dispelled by the simple fact that MK9 is an in-universe repeat of MK 1 - 3, and MK11 officially using past variants of characters from throughout MK9’s events in its story. Thus, other facets of the series will be looked at for feats. 

Miscellaneous

• Kintaro survived an explosion (1.25 Tons of TNT)

• Taven survived a meteor (1.62 - 6.5 Tons of TNT)

• Jax and Jacqui beat Cetrion (each could do it one on one) with help from Kronika’s crown

• Kabal blocked every bullet in an assault rifle magazine (Mach 9)

• Jax was capable of intercepting Kabal mid-sprint

• Scorpion parried a dart from his past self

• Quan Chi Blocked Raiden’s Lightning (Mach 1,308)

• New Era Sektor can rapidly blast off into space (24% Lightspeed)   

• Sonya Blade moved in tandem with Kano’s laser (48% Lightspeed)

• Sonya tanks getting rammed into by Kabal

• Kabal can move in tandem with Kotal Kahn’s light, and other characters can do so to a lesser but still tangible degree (73% Lightspeed)

• Cyrax and Smoke can blow up the earth in their respective fatalities… somehow

Ninjas

• Scorpion can pulverize stone tablets with his spear 

• Scorpion was able to defeat Injustice Trigon in his ending

• Sub Zero can freeze multiple ninjas (0.3 Tons of TNT) and dodge missiles

• Sub-Zero can create ice storms that span entire metropolitan cities even well past his prime (3.9 Megatons of TNT)

• Rain can create localized storms and flood the civilization of Seido in the New Era (782.43 Kilotons of TNT)

• Tremor can cause Earthquakes that would topple Outworld’s capital city (81 Kilotons - 2.5 Megatons of TNT)

Gods

• Raiden has destroyed multiple floors of the sky temple (6.598 Tons of TNT), leveled a Shaolin Temple in a suicide blast (4.57 - 14.21 Kilotons of TNT), and can create large storms (150.62 - 602.49 Kilotons of TNT)

• Fire God Liu Kang brings the boom

• Raiden and Shao Kahn’s fight is stated to shake the earth’s core (1.06 Teratons of TNT)

• Raiden is stated to move as fast as lightning (Mach 286) and can move in tandem with his own lightning (Mach 98.5) 

Elder Gods/One Being (Debatable)

• Blaze is implied to be capable of destroying all realms and shattering all of reality during Armageddon (Solar System, see Before the Verdict)

• Cetrion can grow to planetary sizes and produce a wide blast that moves at high speeds (37.72 Yottatons of TNT)

• Every Elder Gods were able to wage a war against the One Being, and defeat and kill him, splitting him into the realms that make up the structure of Mortal Kombat’s universe

• The One Being is the original universal structure and the progenitor of the realms (existence is simply its dreams) (Universal+)

• Shinnok merged all realms in his MKX ending to form the original composition of all the realms combined; the One Being (Universal+, see Before the Verdicts)

Kronika and Titans (Debatable)

• TItan Cassie can grow to planetary sizes 

• Fire God Liu Kang created a black hole (11 Yottatons of TNT)

• Titans are stated superior to the One Being and Elder Gods

• Titan Shang Tsung is responsible for physically sustaining his own timeline, as it begins to collapse with his death, and would kill millions

• Titan Scorpion is stated to be capable of burning down the entire timeline

• (Debatable, see Before the Verdicts) 

• Titan Scorpion’s Johnny Cage variant is able to obliterate the timeline (Debatable, see Before the Verdicts)

• Titan Shang Tsung’s Sub-Zero variant is stated to be capable of freezing the entire timeline into submission (Debatable, see Before the Verdicts)

• Titan Shang Tsung’s Geras variant threatened to consume the entire timeline (Debatable, see Before the Verdicts)

• Titan Shao Kahn was going to merge billions of timelines into a singularity (Debatable, see Before the Verdict)

• Titan Sub-Zero threatens all timelines (Debatable, see Before the Verdicts)

• Titan Havik was going to merge all timelines together and remake all of reality within a relatively short timeframe (Multiversal, see Before the Verdicts)

• Titan Raiden would merge multiple Jinseis, which would have destroyed all timelines in a chain reaction (Multiversal, see Before the Verdicts)

• Fire God Liu Kang and Titan Shang Tsung’s fight created “mammoth energies which ripped apart time’s fabric”, with said energies forming the uncountable timelines of MK’s cosmology (Debatable, see Before the Verdicts) 

• Titan Nitara threatened to enslave all beings and liberate all timelines (Infinite, debatable, see Before the Verdicts)

• Titan Shang Tsung is also stated to be capable of roaming infinite timelines (Infinite, debatable, see Before the Verdicts)

Injustice (Debatable)

Darkseid is typically treated as a massive threat in most DC Earths, and the world of Injustice is no different. Most notably, in the comics he had a fairly even battle with Regime Superman, who has typically been treated as the top dog of the world after turning evil. This gives him a pretty direct method of scaling to a lot of the notable feats from the Injustice world, though some of these will be discussed more Before the Verdict.

Superman

• Can fly to and punch people from orbit (Mach 667 - 1001 and 1.128 Kilotons of TNT)

• Film version

• Burst through one of the tentacles of Aquaman’s Kraken, which is mountain sized and caused a massive tsunami over the horizon

• Survived Captain Atom exploding on him (7 Megatons of TNT)

• Atom stated this blast was stronger than 10 nuclear bombs and would destroy the entire North Pole

• Was stated to be able to turn a mountain to dust as a teenager (1.723 Gigatons of TNT)

• Tackled Sinestro into the moon (171.274 Gigatons of TNT)

• Moved Atlantis from the ocean to the Sahara with other JL members (Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, and Shazam)

• Broke the Amulet of Apophis, something Alan Scott and Spectre previously failed to do

• Crushed the Helmet of Fate

• Is stated to be an ultimate threat to the universe

• With Brainiac’s power, he intended to bring peace to his universe and ones beyond

• Can break the sound barrier (Mach 1)

• Moved fast enough to fly Doomsday from Metropolis to his Fortress of Solitude in seconds, take Lobo to the sun in a short timeframe, and zoom around the world while destroying armies of parademons

• Flew Parasite to the sun faster than Hal and Cyborg could react (100.718 × FTL)

• Processed a billion alternate versions of his life in a short time (971,932 - 3,190,847 × FTL)

• While taking the power of a Yellow Lantern, quickly flew Mogo into the sun (31.652 Exatons, 20.71× FTL)

• He overpowered Mogo’s GBE in doing so (2.709 Yottatons). 

• It is important to note he did this while amped from the entire world fearing him, so scaling it back to his base is questionable

Flash

• Stated to be able to run at near-lightspeed

• Outpaced gunfire from Deadshot

• Had a lengthy conversation with Superman while time slowed to a crawl from their perspective

• Instantly played multiple chess games over the course of a conversation with Superman

• Frequently runs around the world in moments, like from the fortress of Solitude to Gotham, from Central City to Metropolis, or in his super move literally winding up a worldwide punch (346.442 Kilotons, 2% SoL)

• He could even go around the world 200 times with Superman (1.028 × FTL), or search the entire planet to find the Insurgency within a few seconds (278,644 × FTL)

• Flash can run fast enough to drag opponents through time and drop Brainiac off at the end of time (See Before the Verdict)

• Raced Reverse-Flash between cities, and Thawne has also ran to the present from the future (See Before the Verdict)

Justice League (old, current, etc)

• Booster Gold got blasted hard enough to go through several skyscrapers

• Aquaman could sink multiple whaling ships, summon a storm, and channel energy from the Rock of Eternity to break Brainiac's shield, which Superman failed to get through (Explanation of the event if needed)

• Cyborg said he had the whole universe at fingertips with Brainiac’s power

• Doctor Fate sent Joker and Harley flying through space and time back to their own dimension (See Before the Verdict)

Teen Titans

• Aqualad was able to send all the water in the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool as a big wave (1.096 Tons of TNT)

• Starfire can quickly fly to the asteroid belt (170.11 × FTL)

• Superboy survived the nuke that blew up Metropolis

• The Blue Beetle Scarab was able to destroy Starro and is described as a potential threat to the planet

• Blue Beetle stated he and Firestorm could accidentally blow up the earth if their powers went out of control (Planet Level)

• Blue Beetle and Booster Gold were able to chase after Starro attempting to go from Oa to Earth

• Raven is stated to be a threat to reality if she loses control of her powers

Various Heroes

• In gameplay, fighters can dodge meteors, lightning, and lasers

• Damian survived getting smacked across a city by Renee Montoya

• Firestorm survived Brainiac’s ship exploding

• Firestorm was able to create a blast that Wonder Woman stated would destroy Metropolis 

• Supergirl was able to launch Amazo into the moon while forming a crater (421.488 Teratons - 1.307 Petatons, 4.9% SoL)

• Supergirl broke the chains of Zeus, which were designed to restrain gods and kept Wonder Woman locked up

• Supergirl can quickly fly to the sun (167.863 × FTL)

Lantern Corps (Various)

• Sinestro can toss around asteroids and blast people down from orbit

• Kilowog and other Lanterns survived an orbital strike

• Mogo made a massive blast that wiped out a quarter of the Sinestro Corps

• The Green Lanterns have flown to and from Oa which is a “few thousand light years” away from Earth

• Hal Jordan and Sinestro flew to another star system

• Kyle Rayner flew around deep space for a year hundreds of light years away from Earth

• Guy Gardner was able to fly from Oa back to Earth in the time it took for Congress to deliberate (1,988,507 × FTL)

Various Villains

• Harley deflected a bullet with a knife and sliced apart a gun

• Deadshot survived getting smashed into a wall by Killer Croc (12.876 Megajoules)

• Deadshot was able to tag Flash mid run with a sniper rifle

• Amazo was stated to be a threat to the Justice League in its prime

• Amazo survived one of Green Arrow’s nuke arrows

• Black Adam can blow up a pyramid (187.58 Tons of TNT), create storms over Gotham, and wipe out all life on the planet besides Kahndaq

• Cyborg Superman destroyed Coast City

• Killer Frost’s ice powers can summon a snowstorm, freeze the entire Western Hemisphere (1.189 Zettatons), and craft a new ice age using Lex’s tech as well as the Watchtower

• Lex Luthor can make explosions visible from orbit with his satellite (6.197 Teratons)

• Ares was able to summon a meteor storm (22.522 - 922.517 Kilotons) and could cover the world in a storm (754.313 Teratons)

• Solomon Grundy was able to wipe out all life on the planet

• Zod can fly from the moon to Earth (64% SoL) and drag people through the moon (7.27 - 30.282 Yottatons)

• Brainiac was responsible for the destruction of Krypton, which destabilized the core of the planet, and his Betas can burn the Earth’s atmosphere, making it uninhabitable

• Brainiac controls his ship via thought, implying he can perceive as fast as it’s systems

• The ship’s shields can refresh themselves in 10 picoseconds (1,017 - 3,336 × FTL)

• Doomsday punched Superman from Metropolis to Gotham City and can punch tunnels through the planet (1.196 - 3.708 Megatons, 1 - 2% SoL)

• Doomsday is stated to be an ultimate threat to the universe

• Imperiex tried to destroy the universe at some point (Universal)

• Enchantress after taking Brainiac’s power was a threat to the multiverse (52 universes maybe)

He-Man & The Thundercats (Debatable)

The Injustice universe ended up crossing paths with the champion of Eternia himself in Injustice Vs. Masters of the Universe. This comic is directly set after the events of Injustice 2, and narratively acts as a continuation of the universe’s story in many ways. Additionally, while this may be subject to change should the Injustice universe be revisited in the future, this does portray the latest point in the timeline as of the writing of this blog and doesn’t do anything to contradict details that came before, so it is fair to treat the events of this crossover as canon to the Injustice universe. While mainline MotU scaling is off the table due to this version of He-Man likely being an Elseworlds version of the character, it is also established that this is the same He-Man who had crossed over with the Thundercats in a different crossover comic, so scaling to the events of that comic is also fair game. Though there are also some elements of this which will be further discussed Before the Verdict.

He-Man

• Got stabbed in the chest with the Power Sword by a disguised Mumm-Ra, and was able to survive while impaled long enough to transform into He-Man

• Survived getting blasted by three Equilibrium Defibrillators at full power

• Easily burst up from getting buried in the ground

• Wrecked several statues in his fight with Lion-O

• Defeated a brainwashed Bane and Catwoman while holding back

• Blew up a command center

• Easilly held his own against the brainwashed Suicide Squad

• Survived Superman’s heat vision

• Kept pace in a fight with Superman, ultimately losing only due to getting inconveniently depowered 

• Caught a massive crashing spaceship that Supergirl failed to halt the descent of, before casually tossing it aside

• With the power of Shazam, was able to destroy Superman with the Orb of Power (See Before the Verdict)

His Allies

• Cringer was able to bite Mumm-Ra hard enough to harm him

• Orko was able to grow Snarf to a giant size

• Teela kept up with Wonder Woman, ultimately stabbing her in the back hard enough to leave her near death

• Hawke was able to catch Starfire off guard 

• Zodac can travel from the edge of the universe to the center at transluminal speeds (203 - 815 Trillion x FTL) 

• Zodac and Metron are able to search for heroes across the universe

Lion-O & The Thundercats

• Lion-O is established to be someone that only He-Man could rival the power of

• Lion-O was able to keep pace with a berserk He-Man

• Lion-O was able to fight Mumm-Ator alongside He-Man, ultimately defeating him by combing his power with him

• Catra is fast enough to make multiple after-images when she runs

• They busted their way into Skeletor’s lair

• They kept up in a fight with Skeletor after he absorbed Mumm-Ra and had the Power of Grayskull

Skeletor & Mumm-Ra

• Mumm-Ra was able to send Third Earth between dimensions to Eternia, which is a feat even Skeletor considered impressive

• Skeletor was able to kill Mumm-Ra in a single blast

• Skeletor was able to merge with Mumm-Ra’s essence and take the power of Grayskull

• This state was able to fight back the Thundercats as a group, though ultimately losing due to Mumm-Ra fighting for control and distracting him 

• The two considered themselves to be equally matched, leading to a proper partnership

• They were able to unleash and enslave the Evil Spirits

• These spirits were able to wreck a city and all of Eternia in a short time

• They were unable to be stopped by Eternia’s standard weaponry

• They then absorbed the power of these spirits to become a proper merged self, Mumm-Ator, who was able to easily defeat all the heroes besides He-Man and Lion-O 

• Mumm-Ator was able to fight with He-Man and Lion-O fairly equally, though he ultimately lost to them combining their power

• Skeletor was able to use the power of Shazam to fight Darkseid, though he ultimately lost

The Orb Of Power (See Before the Verdict)

• Contains the power which created the multiverse seen in the Nexus of All Realities

• It contains different universes showing every possible choice

• Superman stated there were at least “a billion” different ones which he processed

• It can take the wielder between dimensions and through time

• Mumm-Ator stated unlocking its power would make him the Master of the Multiverse

• Superman and He-Man were able to use it to defeat Darkseid by converting him into information

• Superman wanted to use its power to “fix everything”, by which I mean spread the Anti-Life Equation through this entire multiverse to erase free will

Cosmology

Marvel VS Capcom

Since Ultron Sigma notably rewrites the cosmology of his world(s), let’s crack into just what he did. 

The Marvel and Capcom worlds are actually their own separate universes, hence Ultron Sigma’s merger of them in Infinite. However, they are much more than that. Marvel vs Capcom Infinite’s prologue comic offered more details on this, noting that Ultron Sigma manipulated the literal timestreams of both universes; creating a (depicted as) infinite ever-flowing construct. The comic description also states he merged the realities into a singular infinite horizon, and the timestream is symbolized as time itself in prologue as well as game. Thanos stated that the Time Stone concealed itself in a place beyond time itself (Valkanda), and Black Panther similarly showed that Valkanda was in a pocket beyond the time stream in the comic. With all that in mind, it seems Ultron Sigma manipulating “the timestreams” was meant more as manipulating time itself along with the universes given the synonymous terms for the same thing, making the feat at least 2 × Universal+, but also likely 4D as well. Given both cases are merging and manipulating infinite spaces, and manipulating time itself, that would also likely give him infinite speed as well. The cosmology also gets even more interesting with earlier or current entries in the series. 

As early as Marvel Super Heroes VS Street Fighter, other dimensions were present in the Marvel Universe. Blackheart comes from the Nether-World, while Shuma-Gorath comes from the Chaos Dimension, which he visits in his super attacks. Marvel vs Capcom 2-3 both clarify more on both these areas, as well as more dimensions elsewhere in the series. Shuma-Gorath’s Chaos Dimension is actually an “anti-universe” of his dimension, and he himself is the God of that dimension; even dubbed the ruler of 100 dimensions. This is actually consistent with his offering a bride of his several dimensions as a gift, so there being 100 dimensions or even greater isn’t unfounded. Thor has also had Asgard showcase the 9 Realms as well, though they aren’t elaborated on more than that. 

For other dimensions, Dormammu is a similar connoisseur of dimensions, like how he aimed to conquer the Chaos Dimension, similar to Shuma-Gorath claiming dominion over ours. Made from energy in the Chaos Dimension, he rules the Dark Dimension, and in his ending he traveled to “so many different worlds,” conquering both universes. The Dark Dimension itself was actually one of the many areas transformed by Ultron Sigma’s merger, and it merged with the Makai Kingdom to become the Dark Kingdom. This likely includes the Majegan Realm from Darkstalkers, the Demon Realm from Ghosts n’ Goblins (Demon Village from those games is also present in the Dark Kingdom), and many more demon worlds such as Mephisto’s realm. The realm showcases several stars at several points across the story, and would likely be comparable to the Chaos Dimension of Shuma-Gorath given their similar roles as evil dimensions that the conquerors have dominion over, as well as how Dimension typically correlates to universe in this context (IE: Shuma-Gorath claims dominion over this dimension when traveling to it). Since they were included in the merger, this technically extends it to 4 universes merged. However, there’s still more to be discussed

When the Sentinels beat Galactus, they acquired his dimension-traveling worldship, and effectively murdered just about everyone in both universes (Mutants, Street Fighters, Mavericks, Deities, etc). This of course leads into other dimensions in a very real sense for both realities, despite them being referred to as universes singular. Mainly, Silver Surfer traversed dimensions with Zero in order to take him back to his world in the latter’s ending, but he accidentally took him to the dimension of Mega Man Zero, while stating they would keep traversing dimensions until they found it. This odd pickle not only means that the future of Mega Man X is a separate dimension akin to something like Spider-Man 2099 is to Spider-Man, but that there are multiple other dimensions still within the cosmology that pertain to Capcom like it. Don’t think Marvel’s not dealing with similar, because Mr. Fantastic appeared to take Frank West to the dimension of Marvel Zombies, while cards of extra characters in MVC3 also show off Spider-Ham and Howard the Duck (both of whom are from alternate dimensions in the Multiverse). 

This presents a perplexing situation, where both sides of the coin imply a multiverse on each end. Capcom has several alternate dimensions as evidenced by Silver Surfer, and Marvel shows the same through the Marvel Zombies universe or characters whose histories are intrinsically tied to the multiverse like Howard the Duck. That doesn’t even cover the oddity of all Capcom’s worlds co-existing at the same time, like how Mega Man classic characters can interact with X-era characters (Nova’s ending), or how X-era characters themselves can interact with Trigger-era characters (Zero and Tron). Heck, all the dystopian futures at play and conflicting world building across series like Darkstalkers or Strider makes them sharing the same singular world rather odd, barring something like pulling them from different points in time. A Multiverse at play could very well explain all of this (as well as interactions like Hsien-Ko being a fan of Arthur despite Firebrand never hearing of Aensland, when the G&G world is in medieval times), and there is support it exists… but it’s not very concrete given how much they establish the worlds as universes, so it won’t be relied on too much. 

Conclusion: Ultron Sigma’s feat is at least 2 x Uni+ (forming an infinitely sized universe from two separate universes). This can be argued as up to 4 x Uni+ (assuming the Dark Dimension and other Demon Realms shown in MVCI are of similar size) as well as potentially even higher with all the other Realms. Likewise, given Ultron Sigma was explicitly noted as having affected the timestreams (time itself given context) and merged them into one construct, this feat likely extends to 4D and Infinite Speed.

For further cosmological interpretations, the series clearly holds some sort of multiverse that Ultron Sigma could potentially scale to certain aspects of. Shuma Gorath introduces many unnamed dimensions (up to 100) that he has conquered and likely holds some degree of control over. Other mainline marvel dimensions somehow exist in it (Howard the Duck and Spider-Ham’s homeworlds) and this doubles on Capcom’s side from people like Silver Surfer. This mainly gets into several hypotheticals, so it won’t be relied upon too much. 

Mortal Kombat

One of the biggest plot points of the Mortal Kombat series is Shao Kahn's threat to merge Outworld and Earthrealm together. So that begs the question, in order to know how impressive this feat is, we need to answer a vital question: how big exactly is a realm, and what validates merger feats scaling back to physicality?

For starters, It’s important to note the act of merging a realm with another is physical, so scaling to stats is completely fair. Whilst there’s been some ambiguity over how the realm merging process works, it's confirmed through MK9’s story mode that the process involves physically merging the two together. We see time and again that the threat of realm merging is a very urgent matter, as well as the fact that Kahn physically sustains the realm mergers with his life force, given the realms begin to unmerge upon his death. While various forms of game art depict the Earthrealm as just the planet earth, it’s far more complicated than that. It’s important to remember realms are NOT the universe, so what are they? Realms in Mortal Kombat aren’t just planets found if you fly far enough or fast enough, as you require either portals or teleportation to get each of them, somewhat debunking the idea they are planets in the universe with a traditional given distance, especially given that magic is always used as the key to accessing these realms. 

When asked in an interview Ed Boon (Co-creator of the franchise) if Earthrealm exists outside of our solar system, he replied saying that we can indeed leave our solar system and still remain in Earthrealm, along with answering the question of if there even exists a physical limit with the reply that, there is no physical limit. Not only does this confirm that realms in Mortal Kombat are NOT just planets, despite what those early depictions of them might suggest, but rather expanded areas with stars, solar systems, and more, but it also leads credence to a theory that the realms lack any physical limit. Note that our members heavily disagree on this for the record. In favor of it, Ed states this in the interview, its supported by John Tobias’ creative vision of the lore and cosmological workings of the realms, and the narrative premise can be found all the way back in MK2, where Shang Tsung’s ending states that there exist dimensional gates between realms. If you thought the idea was still too early a working or never explicitly confirmed in the series, in MK1, Liu Kang outright confirms that the planet Earth is only a small part of Earthrealm, and does this to correct Raiden on a slight misunderstanding regarding the distinction of realms. He clarifies that the realms, when combined, comprise the whole of the universe, which is another idea that had been repeatedly established in the franchise’s past.

This gives us a pretty good idea on how big a realm can be, a cosmological structure bigger than a solar system, however we can go further than that, and say realms are Infinite in size. This is backed up by various narrative statements throughout the series. Sub Zero states in Mortal Kombat: Shaolin Monks that the Netherrealm is infinite in size. This is likely NOT hyperbole, as the statement is being said by Sub Zero, who is pretty deadpan, and has no reason to exaggerate here. More importantly though, the context and narrative importance of the statement means it can’t really be exaggerative. The context is entirely tied to Scorpion’s innate cosmic awareness within the Netherrealm, which is just the equivalent of Hell within the Mortal Kombat cosmology. The idea being displayed is that while the realm is infinite in size; no matter where Liu Kang or Kung Lao run off to, Scorpion will still be able to sense them and track them down. Thus, it’s highly unlikely this strange is non-literal, and within context, the Netherrealm being infinitely large makes a lot of sense. Not to mention, the similarities with the Netherrealm and Chaosrealm, both places that have similar environmental effects and geographical details to the people who live there, implying these are similar in more ways than one. It’s a pretty minor detail, but it could lead credence to the idea that these realms are cosmologically much larger than one may think, and are parallel and similar in scope and size. 

Funnily enough, realms being infinite is supported beyond just the evidence for the Netherrealm being infinite as well. The aforementioned series of tweets from John Tobias, who was the co-creator of Mortal Kombat, heavily supports the idea of realms being infinitely sized areas that are on parallel planes of existence, obviously much larger than just a planet or solar system. If that’s not enough, Outworld has its own evidence for being infinitely large, as the Sea of Blood is stated in MK11 to contain a bottomless sea that never ends, and can trap its opponents forever. Arguing this is hyperbolic is about as silly as arguing it for the Netherrealm instance, as in this case, the sea of blood is a narrative tool used to dispatch of one of the game’s main antagonists; Geras, who is able to resurrect himself from any type of death or fatal injury by manipulating time. Thus, a form of incapacitation that keeps him motionless and trapped for infinity would be one of the only logical ways to defeat him within the story, hence the statement likely being literal. The location of the Sea of Blood is also highly debated, as in Shaolin Monks it was in Outworld, but MK11 portrays it as existing in the Netherrealm, or at the very least Netherrealm-adjacent, but in either case, it supports the idea that realms are infinite in size, and that travel between the two thus isn’t really possible without interdimensional capabilities. 

Another possible counter-argument made against infinite sized realms is the questioning of the canonicity behind Shaolin Monks. This is a somewhat fair point, as Shaolin Monks is blatantly non-canon, but only in the sense that the game is its own retelling of MK2’s events. The game chooses to depict things a bit differently, and events don’t play out the same way. That being said, it is still a fairly faithful adaptation, and any cosmological details about the realms are highly unlikely to be different, especially since there don't seem to be any overt differences between the Netherrealm as it’s portrayed in Shaolin Monks and the Netherrealm in the mainline games. Realms are usually shown to be fairly similar throughout different adaptations when it comes to their cosmic framework. The statement and its contextual information makes enough sense with the games and everything we know about the Netherrealm, and considering all the realms are more or less intended to be equal in size. 

But hold on now, even after all this evidence, isn’t it clear between the aforementioned MK3 evidence, various depictions of the realms shown in the MK Legends films Scorpion’s Revenge and Battle of the Realms, and other pieces of dialogue, that realms are still planets? Plus, if the realms are infinite, shouldn’t they be depicted without edges? Well, the answer to all of that is still a solid no. There’s a fairly easy explanation to all of that. It has to do with how fiction tends to like to portray their dimensions. There’s no “easy” way to depict macrocosms that contain multiple celestial bodies and planets within, there just isn’t, and thus the easy go-to depiction for these realms end up becoming planets, not too dissimilar to how DC or Marvel use shots of planets in panels to represent their own parallel worlds, which we know with story context are clearly entire universes instead of planets. 

To add on to that, MK’s universe has never been stated to have some sort of definitive finite size, and while we would be remiss not to mention the seemingly glaring contradiction within Ed Boon’s words where he states that the realms do not encompass the universe, there is an ulterior explanation to this as well. Similar to how Dragon Ball treats its macrocosms, where they label the macrocosm as “The Universe”, despite containing celestial bodies and areas that are at least that large, if not larger, Mortal Kombat refers to the totality of its realms and cosmology as “The Universe”, just as a fairly simplistic way to denote the main setting of the games. If we want to dig into the technicalities of Boon’s statements, he doesn’t say that a realm can’t be as large as a universe, rather that they cannot encompass the universe. “The” being used to indicate a definite article, rather than refer to something general or unspecified. Within the lore of Mortal Kombat, a “definite” universe does exist in the form of the One Being, a primordial entity that existed before the creation of the realms. We know through several endings in MK history, that fusing with or merging all the realms together form the One Being. Acts like those would revive the original form of THE universe, but, when talking about realms such as Earthrealm or Outworld, they don't encompass that being. This is pretty clearly what Ed Boon is referring to here, especially given the fairly convenient continuity detail of the MK1 statement clearly clarifying that realms aren’t just planets which came out a few years after that interview was had. 

Against that stance, Ed Boon’s statement states “there is no physical limit.” That phrase may sound blunt but he pretty clearly emphasizes physical in there. In essence, that is saying that the limit in question is something more esoteric; a magical limit of sorts, like the need for portal travel to other realms. The distinction is quite important and not indicating infinite space to those against it. Aside from that, other realms that can be argued as infinite like the Netherrealm are afterlife spaces for all souls in the universe, not a dimensional space as large as only one Realm. Nothing else supports the idea of a multi universe macrocosm akin to Dragon Ball for example, and Liu Kang bluntly states the realms make up the universe, not that they are entire universes themselves. For parallel planes, they exist on those planes, but they themselves are not entire planes of existence. That very statement used to back up infinite spaces explicitly separates them from the universe, saying that merging merges their perspective on “the infinite cosmos beyond.” In essence, that statement flatout calls the entire universe infinite, and that’s all you can reasonably glean from this because the realms compared to others have connotations that prevent that, and because the only infinite universe at play is the actual universe the realms make up. The quote distinctly separates them, food for thought. 

So, should you be pro-wider cosmology, 7 times Uni+ universe. Against it, the full universe is simply Uni+ and the realms are smaller. Even if they were infinite that would just lead credence to the full universe being infinite, as not much supports entire universes being realms like macrocosms. Either case, we’ll leave it up to you dear reader. 

Injustice (Bonus Section): This really only matters if you equate the series, in which case they would be similar. As far as that goes, this is a multiverse, obviously. There's an alternate Earth that main DC guys come to the Injustice world from, as well as other universes we see. Sinestro came back from the antimatter universe world of Qward, Green Arrow in the second game was from another alternate universe, Atom was able to go into the subatomic dimension of the Microverse, Hellboy is from an alternate universe that Brainiac dragged him out of, the TMNT are from an alternate universe, and ended up in Injustice due to Kraang attempting to send them to his home, Dimension X. In his ending, Green Arrow meets 3 other alternate heroes while noting there’s an entire multiverse of alternate earths, and there’s other mentions as well. The Lords of Order intended to wipe out all of the multiverse, and Raiden plus some magic DC heroes intended to stop them, while Enchantress (with Brainiac’s power) intended to conquer “all 52” alternate Earths. Lastly, Shinnok’s corruption of Earth-realm ended up cracking the barrier between MK and DC, leading to Raiden ending up there in IJ2. So, given the lack of infinite statements, this only really extends to 52 universes, and nobody really scales to wrecking it. The Lords of Order’s example would be over time, and Enchantress would only conquer them over similar timeframes as well. 

Weaknesses

Ultron Sigma

While Ultron Sigma is a powerful unified conqueror and fighter, he is not without his downsides. The two viruses are pretty full of themselves when combined (or usually to be fair), often boasting about their superiority to others and claiming to be a god; one instance being his rematch against Thanos. While in their first encounter, Ultron Sigma defeated the Mad Titan himself, the second was the complete opposite and it ended up getting the Reality Stone cracked. While Ultron Sigma survived the encounter and the Reality Stone still worked for him after that, it seriously messed him up and he had to retreat. Speaking of the Infinity Stones, despite having two of them, he was never going to succeed in achieving his goal of obtaining all six; mainly, since he doesn’t have a soul, the Soul Stone rejected him and literally blew up in his face.

Dark Kahn

Despite being an overwhelmingly powerful fighter, Dark Kahn isn’t without problems. He usually doesn't bother engaging in combat and prefers to just sit it out; letting the fighters of Mortal Kombat and DC battle each other. Even his Kombat Rage is not infinite, like how Quan Chi (albeit with no shortage of power) could overwrite it with mind control magic, or how Raiden and Superman could resist it to defeat Dark Kahn even when they are actively fighting it. Also, upon his defeat, the separation of Darkseid and Shao Kahn removed their Rage and abandoned them both in each other's worlds where neither of their powers worked.

Before The Verdict

Both

Comic and General Cross-Scaling

This may seem like a controversial move to use a few other series at play that you may have seen in the blog, such as Injustice. Explaining that a bit more, crossovers like these tend to reference events throughout each franchise's home series to give them a sense of continuity. An example of this being when Galactus references the time he ate the Skrull’s homeworld, which is something that did happen in the comics. In it, Galactus created a white hole while devouring their homeworld. There are also references to the events of Civil War. among many other examples in Marvel VS Capcom. This would be more generally discussed in the later BTV of what is MVC’s canon, and this is more of a placeholder for things to come. Please head down to that area for a more (very) in-depth listing of what that entails

As for Injustice, it’s a bit more uncertain, but there is undeniably quite a bit of evidence that the Injustice universe is meant to be the DC Universe that Mortal Kombat crossed over with. Within Injustice, this mainly comes from various dialogue interactions that Raiden and Sub-Zero have from their guest appearance in Injustice 2. With Sub-Zero it’s a bit inconsistent, as while interactions with Catwoman, Darkseid, and Joker all support this, his interactions with Batman and especially Flash directly conflict with this idea. However, it’s a lot more certain with Raiden, as his own interactions with Darkseid, Batman, and Superman all more directly confirm he has some history in this DC world. Other notable details added in Raiden’s inclusion, such as an interaction between him and Sub-Zero where they directly theorize that Dark Kahn is back, also add general precedence to the idea that the worlds were meant to be linked. It’s also worth noting that a big contradiction with the idea of Injustice being in MKvDC is with both game’s portrayal of Lex Luthor, as him just acting like his canon self in MKvDC doesn’t really line up with Injustice Lex having never been a super villain, but you could write this off as a retcon. 

However, even if you don’t buy that, there’s also quite a bit of evidence on the Mortal Kombat side that they have crossed over with Injustice canonically. Most notably, this interaction between Raiden and Sub-Zero in MK11 have them directly say they had both gone to the Injustice world, and while they write it off as a dream, another interaction Sub-Zero has with Cetrion has her directly confirm that it was real. Given her role in the story of MK11, her being directly aware of this event is a fairly good bit of evidence in favor of there being a canon scaling chain here. And while them being canon is a bit more questionable due to them having them with a DLC character, both Raiden and Scorpion also have dialogue interactions with Spawn that directly reference their interactions with DC. Hell, possibly one of the most blatant confirmations of the universe connection is when Scorpion interacts with fellow DLC guest fighter Joker, where both acknowledge the events of MK VS DCU, specifically their one on one fight. It’s also worth noting that we do also have an explanation behind this crossover, as in his arcade mode ending, Raiden directly notes that Shinnok’s corruption of Earthrealm in MKX was why he ended up in the Injustice universe. Finally, just to pull back the curtain for a moment, if we didn’t do this, then the entire DC side of Dark Kahn’s game would have essentially nothing to add to the discussion here, and that would be a bit lame and boring. 

As a preface on the meaning of all this, we considered Injustice viable for scaling or other abilities for Darkseid, and similar scaling from Marvel AND Capcom proper as usable under that stipulation. However, we will NOT be turning this into a cosmology arms race between the actual Marvel and DC universes, both because they don’t have major methods of scaling to it, or reasonable ones beforehand. As mentioned before, please refer to the MVC Canon BTV on the logic behind that decision, though you are free to disagree even then. 

Universe Merging

Before we get too in-depth, let’s discuss how these two merged their universes to begin with, and what that means.

For Ultron Sigma, his case is more simple. He is directly shown merging the worlds and universes of Marvel and Capcom respectively, and further stated as the reasoning behind it by Black Panther in the prequel comic. His form radiates the energy of both universes, and there’s really not much to clarify besides what that actually means from an AP standpoint. From that comic, the universe or rather the timestream is surprisingly implied to be infinite from multiple angles. The story is dubbed “Infinite Horizons,” the comic description states Ultron Sigma merged the realities into a single infinite horizon, and Black Panther also gives further strong indicators of it when speaking of the timestreams. His computers note that he merged the timestreams of the realities as well, creating an infinite loop (it is a timestream), and he himself describes it as a continuous loop in conjunction with that. Since individual time streams are infinite and Ultron Sigma combined them into one, this would be at least 2x Uni+ or manipulating two infinitely sized universes, with higher arguments in the cosmology extending it to 4D, 4 of these universes, and infinite speed. Further promotional material also describes Ultron Sigma as a threat that could consume all of reality and destroy both universes, so this level of power and speed he wields is certainly backed up. 

Moving on to Dark Kahn, his case is more complex due to the nature of the merger. This event merged both the Earths of Mortal Kombat and DC, working physically on a global scale and bringing items from the many locations in the former to the latter. Batman similarly reports this on a more emphasized planet-level scale, indicating this merger was generally restricted to the planet. Similarly, Dark Kahn merged Outworld and Apokolips into one planet, which is the same case of a planetary merger but nothing more. Clarifying more on this, the prequel comic has Dark Kahn explicitly state that the universes are closely tied, but not outright connected. His attempt to merge them immediately backfires and damages him pretty badly, which is where Kombat Rage came from. Speaking of, this power began to destabilize the nature of both universes the more others were infected by it, which furthered a universe-scale merger across the plot of the game. 

This sort of galactic merger but it taking time and continuous Rage across multiple people to accomplish is actually consistent. Shazam states Dark Kahn is the focal point where both universes freely intermingle, and will turn the Earth into a nexus of evil where the Rage will devour everything that exists if it continues. Similarly, the Guardians state that this Rage is contaminating the Galaxy, and although they can control it on Oa, it spreading would eventually corrupt and destroy both universes. Perhaps the greatest proof comes once more from Batman, who states that grinding two universes together like this will eventually rip them both apart. Once Dark Kahn was separated, the worlds and “universes” separated instantly and all was saved. So, where does this leave him? Well, his merging two separate worlds into each other twice (Both Earths and Apokolips X Outworld) is assured, but we are distinctly shown and told several times that merging the entire universe took much longer. Heck, he couldn’t even do it by his own merit, and was forced to rely on collective Kombat Rage built up from multiple fighters to fully hasten the merger. 

In short, he would scale to merging 4 planets into 2 planets, or basically 4 times Earth’s GBE of 47.5 Zettatons; 190 Zettatons overall. Anything beyond that of fully merging the universes took an extensive amount of time and Rage that he originally could not access, but it is something he could use at the end of the story if not stopped. 

Ultron Sigma

What is Marvel VS Capcom Canon?

Marvel vs Capcom’s canon is rather… mixed, to be blunt. So, let’s try to unmix it and see where it lands in the verse. 

First, let’s start with the canon of the games themselves, since that is something people may be curious about. First, all the games under the title of Marvel vs Capcom (post-Infinite) are all direct sequels to each other. Marvel vs Capcom 2’s comic has Captain America reaffirm he was allies with Ryu prior, referencing the first one, and Marvel vs Capcom 3’s comic notes that the adventure “continues” in this sequel. Several characters in this game do not know each other at first, but that is simply because they have not met at this point. Wesker was not in a prior title and would thus not know Doom, this is Deadpool and Dante’s first go-around, and the list goes on. As far as other titles in the series go, other titles like X-Men: Children of the Atom, Marvel Super Heroes, X-Men Vs Street Fighter, and Marvel Super Heroes Vs Street Fighter are also included thanks to all the game collections Capcom has made (which collects the titles in the series). If you think that’s a mistake, they distinctly noted that the Sentinel model they made for the series, COTA-94, had its first appearance in X-Men: Children of the Atom in 1994 (while also noting the first comic appearance of the actual Sentinels). Thanos has also died once before as of Marvel vs Capcom 2, clearly in reference to Marvel Super Heroes and its adaptation of the Infinity Gauntlet saga. 

Moving onto Infinite, this is what some people push as not outright canon, which is ultimately incorrect. The main thing that would distinguish these as separate is Ultron Sigma actually merging the two universes, which is referred to as the first time that happened; thereby potentially throwing a wrench in every entry prior. However, the simple solution there is that… the universes hadn’t actually merged before. Marvel vs Capcom 2 had them seperate and simply travel across worlds, and Marvel vs Capcom 3 started to begin with by siphoning energy from Galactus to fuel portals between the worlds. Always in the story did people fight in actual locations from both worlds not merged, and they never stayed like that in the story. Galactus’ game over also shows him devouring them separately, not a combined planet like Infinite would have had. Thanos’ past endeavors with the Stones are also spoken of as is his getting them all in MVC2, which further leads into it being the same canon. So, all of the games in the series are canon to each other, and meant to be the same continuing story. At worst it's just a soft reboot from miscellaneous details like the developers stating they wanted to do something new, despite their website stating things like the series returns once again which would not affect scaling back to it. Now, let’s jump into other canon arguments for the series.

Starting with Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter, this gets the obvious details on Capcom’s end down, where Chun-Li fights to avenge her father for example. On Marvel’s it is also similarly accurate. It is noted Apocalypse was the first mutant, Cyclops leads the X-Men, Hulk has been green and grey and is also smart at the time, similarly to how Wolverine’s claws were bone at the time, and Spider-Man also speaks of the Clone Saga. These events are important because those last 3 were very recent developments; Hulk becoming smart and snarky was a prominent feature at the time, Logan’s skeleton was ripped out in 1993 (the game came out in 1997) and Peter’s Clone Saga was occurring between 1994 and 1996 (again, 1997 release date). It’s odd, but it distinctly references very recent events for the stories and just about mirrors Earth-616. Moving on to Marvel vs Capcom 2, its short canon doesn’t leave much beyond noting Thanos died in battle with the heroes before, clearly referring to earlier entries in the series. The major canon facets however come from Marvel vs Capcom 3, which is EXTREMELY interesting. 

This game is where all the references and canon got cleared up much more throughout, with an absurd attention to detail. Just the prologue comic shows Chris and Jill as members of the BSAA, Wesker being formerly of Umbrella, and many details about heroes and villains alike from both worlds. That sort of thing is so ridiculously consistent in the game, you’ll just have to see for yourself. Literally every single character, comic or game, has their original media referenced as their first official appearance in profiles. For example, Spider-Man has Amazing Fantasy Issue 15 in 1962, while Ryu has Street Fighter in 1987. Again, this happens with every single character in the game. Wolverine, Hulk, Iron Man, Captain America, Deadpool, Dr. Doom, Super-Skrull, Thor, She-Hulk, X-23, M.O.D.O.K, Phoenix, Magento, Storm, Dormammu, Taskmaster, Sentinel, Shuma-Gorath, Nova, Ghost Rider, Iron Fist, Dr. Strange, Hawkeye, Rocket Raccoon, and Galactus ALL do this. Morrigan, Chris, Dante, Felicia, Chun-Li, Trish, Amaterasu, Viewtiful Joe, Tron, Wesker, Arthur, Nathan Spencer, Zero, Crimson Viper, Haggar, Akuma, Hsien-Ko, Jill Valentine, Vergil, Phoenix Wright, Strider Hiryu, Firebrand, Frank West, and Nemesis ALL do this. Literally no character in this game does not have their first official appearance catalogued, and if you thought that was it, all of these profiles exclusively cover multiple distinct details about all of their stories. 

While some of these are more basic, like Felicia, Viewtiful Joe, or Tron Bonne, several of these get quite or very specific in detail. Arthur notes he has battled Satan in his first game, Ryu beat Sagat in a fight, and Morrigan is head of the Aensland Demon House. All of these are a bit more in-depth then just the basic explanations for them, and that trend continues the further you look into it. Starting with Marvel, once again, they list each and every original Earth-616 Issue as their first appearance, and they’ve always heavily referenced the mainline Marvel universe; extremely so. Just Marvel Super Heroes VS Street Fighter, again, referenced the Clone Saga, Magneto ripping out Wolverine’s skeleton, and Hulk’s personality at the time, which were all only a few years old at the point of release. 

Their profiles further this, where all of them are pretty much 1-1 with their comic origins on a baseline level (Wolverine, Hulk, Iron Man, Captain America, etc). They also frequently make more niche references that the average comic fan wouldn’t know about unless they actually researched the characters, like Super-Skrull having hypnosis, Dormammu originally having a metal body, or Rocket’s Halfworld past before he met the Guardians. Once more, all of their profiles go over character arcs like Thor’s or X-23’s, generally unspoken of facts like M.O.D.O.K or Hawkeye’s circus background, and even origins of characters completely identical on a lore standpoint crucial to Marvel. Galactus is distinctly noted as Galan, the sole survivor of the former universe, and he who bonded with the sentience of the universe to become Galactus; a being on par with the Gods who rule the universe. As old as the universe (which further goes into this), and with how large a role in the history of the multiverse Galactus plays, such a thing shouldn’t be overlooked. 

Even beyond that, the series consistently references very current and crucial events in Marvel. Storm is married to Black Panther (which occured in 2006), Jean Grey’s complicated history with the Phoenix is touched on, or Shuma-Gorath’s weird history. In terms of those things, the amount of distinct and blatant references people make to specific events is utterly absurd. Akuma mentions Wolverine was one of Apocalypses’s Horsemen of Death at one point, Hawkeye speaks of Cap’s Kooky Quartet (early Avengers line-up), and Storm spoke of the time she fought N'Garai Demons like Firebrand before (X-Men Issue 96). Character history like Clint originally being a criminal/from the circus or Jean originally being called Marvel Girl are brought up, people’s teams/allegiances like Nova being part of the New Warriors or Hawkeye being on multiple are discussed, and select battles are talked of like Wolverine beating the Devil or Dr. Strange fighting numerous Hell-Lords. 

This sort of thing continues on and on no matter how niche the reference is. Iron Fist speaks of the Daughters of the Dragon (1976), Tony mentions the Hulkbuster (first appearance is 1993), M.O.D.O.K speaks of the Worldmind Nova has, etc. Where it really shines is current events, where it consistently speaks of either niche or major events word for word, such as the Civil War storyline. Both Iron Man and Captain America speak of it after fighting each other, and even quote an exchange from the comic literally word for word. Spider-Man, Iron Fist, and Wolverine are currently Avengers (they joined in the 2000’s for a while), the Illuminati shot Hulk into space and World War Hulk likely happened as well (that started in 2006, and his costume is also playable in the game), Peter’s marriage was removed due to One More Day, and more. Doom spoke of his Intelligencia alliance with M.O.D.O.K (2009), Nova was on the Secret Avengers (2010, literally a year before release), and Tony while wearing his Iron Patriot Armor outright references Norman wearing it; meaning his hostile takeover of S.H.I.E.L.D in 2008 and all the other costumes are pulled from their histories as well as well as literal. 

Miscellaneous examples

• Niche characters like Wolfsbane, Belasco, Pet Avengers, and Selene are mentioned. Related examples like Dormammu’s sister Umar, several Asgardian deities such as Hela and Surtur, Shuma-Gorath being one of the Old Ones, and Mojo appearing are similar examples. 

• Specific team line-ups were mentioned, like Hulk and Strange on the Defenders, or Hawkeye bringing back the original West Coast Avengers. Morrigan also went to the Hellfire Club and met Mephisto along with Nightmare among others. 

• Specific battles and fights are mentioned

• Galactus first met and fought the Fantastic Four

• She-Hulk lost to Iron Man during the Contest of Champions

• Specific Storylines and Events are mentioned

• Galactus ate the Skrull Homeworld

• Iron Man fighting Dr. Doom in Camelot 

• Strange banished Hulk to the Crossroads of Infinity 

• Magneto ripped out Wolverine’s skeleton

• Infinite’s profiles are all 1-1, (Cap, Black Panther, Iron Man, Rocket, Spidey, Captain Marvel, Dr. Strange, Gamora, Venom, Winter Soldier, etc. Thanos brings up implanting cybernetics to surpass his brethren (indirectly referencing Deviants and Eternals), and Ultron was designed by Hank Pym like the comics.

• The Marvel vs Capcom Complete Official Works Artbook does all of the above for all entries in the series pre-Infinite. This notes the origins in description and date for other comic characters without much in the way of profiles like Apocalypse, Blackheart, Cable, Cyclops, Gambit, Iceman, Juggernaut, Marrow, Omega Red, Onslaught, Psylocke, Sabretooth, Silver Samurai, Spiral, Thanos, War Machine, X-23 (notes cartoon origin), etc. It even notes the origins of every single character in the card system of MVC3, a huge number of which are not in the game playable, such as Blade (there are literally dozens of examples of this on both sides). They also get rather specific, like how Onslaught’s profile notes his being powered by Nate Grey and Franklin Richards; something specific to the original source material. 

So, what comics do we know happened? Obviously we could draw on several more, but these are the most solid and applicable to a soft-composite style of analysis. 

Fantastic Four Issue 256-257: Super-Skrull has stated multiple times that Galactus destroyed his homeworld. This was the issue that happened, so anything inside it is applicable (Issue 256 also provides context on Nova’s location right before these events).

• Nova (Frankie Raye, one of Galactus’ Heralds) emanated power “similar to her namesake” and traveled multiple light-years in seconds 

• Issue 256 clears up that she was in the Andromeda Galaxy while also showing she flew there directly, and Issue 257 notes that the Skrull Homeworld was 2 million light-years from Earth. The prior issue similarly noted she held the intensity of an exploding star. 

• Galactus ignores weapons able to destroy a city even while weakened to the point of near-death

• After consuming the Skrull homeworld for multiple hours, this act created a White Hole as large as the planet

Iron Man Issue 149-150: Doom and Iron Man both refer to their adventure in Camelot. Pretty simple case of a classic adventure they had. 

• Tony claimed his armor was the fastest thing short of radio waves

• Doom took one of Tony’s strongest blasts

• Tony fought him in hand-to-hand

• Doom smashed through a castle wall

The Incredible Hulk Issue 301-313 (Crossroads storyline): Dr. Strange explicitly brings up the time he banished Hulk to the Crossroads, which was a short story that in-canon took place over a year. Nothing majorly feat-heavy happens here besides the obvious after a few issues, and since it took up so much of Hulk’s time as well as explains his position for a major event, there’s no issue with looking at the full short storyline.

• Hulk shook the Crossroads, which is an infinite dimension with portals to infinite dimensions

The Origin of Galactus: Galan’s dialogue and backstory pretty blatantly references his origin discussed here to the letter (refer to his section in the canon earlier up).

• Literally bonds with the sentience of the universe and bears the matchless power of a literal galaxy

• A practically infant Galactus could shatter Planets according to the Watcher

• So huge was his ship that planets orbited it as if it were a sun

X-Men Volume 2 Issue 25: Magneto has ripped out Wolverine’s skeleton before, and Wolverine was distinctly noted to have bone claws early in the series, when he had recently lost them to Magnus. 

• Magneto tore through Earth’s Electromagnetic Field to cause massive EMP explosions on the surface across the entire planet

Contest of Champions, Civil War, World War Hulk, and Dark Reign: The Contest of Champions was name-dropped by She-Hulk along with a loss she suffered to Tony during it, just like the original event. Civil War was explicitly name-dropped by Tony and Cap, and they quote an exchange from the story to the letter. Hulk and Strange both mention the Illuminati and their shooting Hulk into space, which kickstarted World War Hulk and his journey back to kill the Illuminati (Hulk also bears a costume of his Green Scar phase as well). Tony also blatantly references Norman wearing the Iron Patriot armor, in a clear nod to Dark Reign. Since all of these were massive events that affected all of Marvel, we’ll leave it at this since there is too much to go over in a short time. 

Now, let’s move on to Capcom. Similarly to Marvel, they blatantly reference their extensive histories several times. Dante speaks of a reunion with Vergil for example, and this sort of thing continues so much it’s best to go case by case. Starting with Resident Evil, this references basically everything there is in the series; primarily, Resident Evil 5. Not only do enemies blatantly from that game show up in the story (Executioner Majini), but Chris searching for Jill is referenced numerous times in the game. Jill herself is even playable as her RE5 self, stat boost and mind control to boot, and her profile is word-for-word the story of that latest game in the series. Jill herself serves Wesker just like the game, but has also gone through Resident Evil 2 and the trauma known as Nemesis. Actually, Daredevil prosecuting Wesker in Chris’ ending directly name-drops the Raccoon City event of 1998, further asserting the timeline of the series (strangely consistent with the game taking place in 2011). Chris and Wesker are also exactly the same in their profiles, and follow up to Resident Evil 5, so we’re off to a good start. 

Next is Devil May Cry, which is similarly referenced multiple times in several levels. For example, Mundus is spoken of repeatedly by cosmic entities such as Phoenix or Dormammu, as is someone like Sparda. Dante, Trish, and Vergil all share the exact same backstories as their game counterparts, like with named weapons or the brothers relationship with their mother. Vergil’s first appearance means things have progressed to the point of Devil May Cry 3, and Deadpool speaking of Nero extends this to Devil May Cry 4 (the most recent game at the time). Further details include Trish being a former demon (and apparently dating Dante in this rendition) as well as Mephisto tempting Dante with mending his relationship with Vergil as well as bringing his mother back. 

Now, let’s talk about Street Fighter. This is mostly the same case as the prior games, where the profiles of all included characters (Ryu, Chun-Li, Akuma, and Crimson Viper) are all the same as their actual counterparts while listing their game of origin. Viper in particular showed up in Street Fighter 4 of 2008, which was the most recent mainline game in the series at the time, yet she’s just taken from the game like normal. Akuma’s profile also notes his Ansatsuken and Satsui No Hado facets, which is one of the core aspects of his character. Aside from that, Ryu has spoken of Vega while his profile talks about his duel with Sagat, and Chun-Li is frequently noted as an agent of Interpol. Most impressively, Master Mold killed 82 Street Fighters in its ending, which means it effectively soloed the entire verse (and it can’t possibly be any different or there wouldn’t be that many people to kill).

Moving to Mega Man, this one is odd due to how many parts of the timeline are shown. We start with Classic Mega Man, who is pretty accurate with Roll, Bass, Beat, and his other facets. The series then shifted to the Mega Man X timeline somehow, where people like X, Zero, and Sigma are all the same to the letter. The latter two even share their same origin of Sigma being a hero, finding Zero in a cave, and chaos ensuing. Zero speaks of Reploids, being a Maverick Hunter, and beat X in a duel, among other facts like Master Mold venturing to their world and killing 4 Mavericks. Even despite X being the new timeline, Tron from the Legends series also shows up just like normal. She aims to find Volnutt, and even met him in her ending after it having been years since they last saw each other. Even despite all of this timeline chicanery, Mr. X from the classic series showed up, while Nova also inducted classic characters like Mega Man and Roll alongside Zero into his corps at the same time. Finally, Silver Surfer took Zero to another identical dimension of the Mega Man Zero era, which is just the future of his timeline so… picture that. 

As we continue, much of the smaller franchises are basically the same. Okami has Amaterasu and related characters speak of Nippon as well as her being the queen of her realm and the Sun God, among other similar details. Her Sun God history, Celestial Brushes, three divine weapons, and history with Orochi are all talked about in her profile, as are Issun being a ladies man, Amaterasu fighting fire demons, Ms. Orange’s Cherry Cakes, and Kamiki Village. Strider Hiryu mentions his thousand year history with Meio (placing him past Strider 2) and his profile mentions his game history like becoming an A-Class Strider at a young age (he’s also a legend to Viper, so who knows where that goes). Frank West and Haggar have a history, and both of their profiles note their backstories to a “T,” while the games talk of their wrestling histories. 

Spencer’s story and the plot of Bionic Commando’s reboot are 1-1, and Phoenix Wright is similarly a duplicate of his game self (he also speaks of several people in his world, like Maya, Detective Gumshoe, Demon prosecutors, and his kid, with Edgeworth also showing up in the series). Viewtiful Joe is about the same, as are Darkstalkers that we mentioned earlier like Felicia and Morrigan (the latter’s history with Jedah is also spoken of), and Hsien-Ko actually speaks to her sister Mei as well. Felicia is in musicals, old friends with Haggar, and her mother would also not like her stealing. Arthur and Firebrand are similar to their game counterparts, with the former’s Infinite profile even noting his princess was kidnapped due to Royal Blood, which isn’t the most known fact for the record. Firebrand living in Demon Village and serving his master are prevalent, and Arthur is the most famous demon hunter in the biz/Hsien-Ko loves his weapons. That’s about everything, but the last question would be, what is Marvel VS Capcom to begin with? 

To begin with, the series is strangely a real video game in Earth-616 and also the digital world of Earth-30847 according to the Secret Wars Official Guide, despite being a very real dimension that one can travel to like Morlun did (the guide also proves this wasn’t a gag or anything like that). Another odd factor is how Marvel and Capcom are likely fictional properties in their opposite worlds. Captain America was one of Spencer’s childhood heroes, likely through this, and Hsien-Ko has outright referred to Marvel as comic book heroes. Deadpool has also played Street Fighter as well. So, with all that said and done, what is actually usable under this standard? Well, pretty much everything. All of their histories and games are kept very up-to-date (Resident Evil, Okami, Street Fighter, etc), consistent across the board, and reference details from all of their games at every angle. It also holds more weight than Marvel as a sort of inclusion argument due to Capcom having made all these games to begin with and producing their own characters, as well as their more streamlined history due to all the changes Marvel goes through. 

So, most everything from the series included up to their most current release dates at the time of reference. Viewtiful Joe and Okami are basically untouched due to their short game list, while larger series like Resident Evil, Street Fighter, Devil May Cry, and more get games as long as they were referenced (DMC stops at 4 for example due to 5 not being referenced/out yet). Once more on both cases, we’re largely doing this due to the sheer amount of care put into making both sides accurate to the source material as possible, and as a similar case to Injustice being used. If you have any disagreements, don’t fret, as it won’t matter all too much to the verdict. 

Infinity Gauntlet Scaling?

As most of you who have experienced Marvel VS Capcom: Infinite know, the plot of the game is that Ultron Sigma wishes to collect all 6 Infinity Stones; mystic gems of unlimited power that control multiple concepts of reality. These perform plenty of powerful feats across the series, but why exactly would Ultron Sigma scale to them on his own while only wielding 2 Stones? Let’s find out.

Starting with the obvious, several characters across the series can match individual Infinity Stones. Heck, the gimmick of multiple games centered around their usage like Infinite has the fighters use them on each other as weapons. In actual story-terms, Thanos has defeated Jedah while he used the Soul Stone to increase his magic, as have Ghost Rider and Morrigan. Thanos also battles Iron Man and Frank West when they are using the Time Stone (Grimes would be proud). Spider-Man, Frank, Haggar, and Chris could defeat M.O.D.O.K/his minions empowered by the Mind Stone, etc. Even besides these examples, there’s plenty of other comparisons to the Stones that Ultron Sigma can benefit from, which enters with Jedah’s Symbiote Monster. 

For context, Jedah had made this thing with millions of souls for the purpose of defeating Ultron Sigma, and it was very much not finished by the time it was used. The combined forces of 10 heroes from both universes did little to stop it, and they were forced to use 3 Infinity Stones to kill it (Power, Time, and Mind). So, we have something with half of the Infinity Gauntlet’s level of power explicitly unable to stop Ultron Sigma at that point in time, and this continues with the nature of Ultron Sigma’s defeat in the first place. Oh, and just to clarify before we discuss that, this same monster was explicitly stated able to erase all of existence as well, which acts as other scaling Ultron Sigma would benefit from in threatening the cosmology.

Now, onto Ultron Sigma’s death. As weird as it sounds, this event acts as great support for his scaling to a completed Gauntlet. Dante bluntly stated 4 Infinity Stones are not enough to defeat Ultron Sigma, and that’s just what happened; they still couldn’t kill him with over half of the Gauntlet. So, Dr. Strange siphoned the strength of practically every playable character in the game in conjunction with the 4 Stones to actually win, when several of those same characters have matched individual Stones before. That is a pretty ridiculous level of might required to beat him, and there’s even more support for this by simply looking at the universe-merger to begin with.

As we know, Ultron Sigma accomplished this upon merging Ultron and Sigma into his current self, and then using the Reality/Space Stones to combine the universes. This matters because Lady Death outright stated that all 6 Infinity Stones would be needed to do something like that for ordinary users. Ultron Sigma is far from ordinary however, and blatantly accomplished something a completed Gauntlet would be needed for another to do. It’s not exactly far-fetched either, given how far above the entire cast Ultron Sigma was consistently noted to be. Even aside from that evidence, there’s a few other areas to compare the merged machine to the Gauntlet. 

The comic prologue description states Ultron Sigma was the greatest challenge yet of the series (which would include the Gauntlet), and then there’s the matter of Galactus. He holds many impressive stellar feats for the series, and Ultron Sigma can very well scale to him. Starting with that angle, people are obviously capable of beating Galactus in the many arcade endings of the game. Haggar, Hsien-Ko, Dormammu, Taskmaster, Nova, Iron Fist, Rocket, Dante, Wolverine, Iron Man (barely), and Captain America, are all noted and shown in context to have defeated Galactus. For more physical proof, there’s Deadpool (had his ship/helmet), Doom (used Siphon on him to get some of his power), Super-Skrull (we are shown Galan’s remains), Spider-Man (pictures of Peter winning), X-23 (Laura laid out Galactus on Logan’s lawn), M.O.D.O.K (He beat Galactus and got his helmet), Phoenix (Jean shown beating Galactus), Magneto (got his worldship), Sentinel (got his worldship), and Shuma-Gorath (newspaper showed it). There’s other examples, like Akuma killing him (and everyone else) but it should be pretty obvious that people in the series can scale to Galactus. It’s also more supported because multiple other characters have similar or slightly inferior rankings to Galan’s almighty status in categories like strength, speed, and stamina (Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Shuma-Gorath, Super-Skrull, Nova, Phoenix, etc). 

Aside from that, Galactus himself also brought forth the 3rd game in a sense. Villains from both universes wanted to invade the other side, and they drained energy from Galactus to do so, since he was “the greatest power source in either world.” At the very least that would logically compare Galan to the Gauntlet, and since people can face him, that provides a logical scaling chain. In addition, it was noted in the first place that an absurd amount of energy was required to merely travel between the universe, and Ultron Sigma outright merged them to begin with in a feat that would, again, require something akin to a completed Infinity Gauntlet. Ergo, Ultron Sigma logically scales to a completed Gauntlet, as well as Galactus. 

What does that give him? It serves as similar support for cosmic feats around or above planetary (Magneto making a moon, Shuma-Gorath growing as large as a planet) as well as larger feats like Blackheart destroying Mephisto's realm or Thanos merging with and reshaping the entire universe. That latter example works as more support for that sort of power and speed, and Ultron Sigma's example of merging entire timestreams all at once doesn't sound too different even then. 

Dark Kahn

Dark Kahn’s Higher End Scaling

A huge point in contention for scaling for Dark Kahn is all of the events in the new timeline that starts in MK1. Due to that disparity, we will leave arguments for and against it in each case, as well as discussion of wider MK series feats we disagree on. Whatever you may wish to read, here it is for doing so.

Arguments For

After the battle between Shang Tsung and Liu Kang, infinite timelines were formed, as in through their physical clash, they were able to unknowingly create mammoth energies that ripped apart time’s fabric and split it into an innunermable amount of timelines, most likely infinite given Shang’s MK11 ending, and various implications throughout MK1’s story mode. At the climax of MK1, several Titan variants arrive, and intend to destroy, enslave, conquer, and in general threaten the entire multiverse that MK’s cosmology turned into. So, does Kahn scale to these titans? The answer is likely yes. To explain why though, we’ll have to take a comprehensive dive into scaling in MK as a whole. After all, a lot of MK scaling can be seen as contentious and controversial, even in regards to Shao Kahn and to what degree he scales to other characters in the verse. We’ll specify for what tiers or type of kombatants  in the hierarchy we’re elaborating on to show why Kahn is as strong as he is. There isn’t much that needs to be explained in regards to Shao Kahn scaling above a lot of the more grounded fighters within MK, such as Kabal, Sonya Blade, Johnny Cage, or other stronger fighters like Scorpion, Sub-Zero and Shang Tsung. He clearly defeats Sonya and Johnny (albeit using telekinesis, so don’t mistake this as evidence that no one scales to Kahn-level threats in the series except for Gods), and scales above the other fighters. It’s more so once we delve into the topic of Gods and Elder Gods, that the discussion becomes a bit muddled, so let’s start there:

Elder Gods Scaling (MK9)

In terms of scaling to the Elder Gods, it’s worth noting that Shao Kahn is inherently and narratively considered to be a high-tier threat in the Mortal Kombat universe, especially given his important status as Immortal Protector/God of his realm. MK9 has one of Kahn’s best showings in the franchise, as in it, Shao Kahn is feared by the elder gods and a full on assault from them merely made him laugh, in which he goes on to call them pathetic. While he did lose the full fight, this doesn’t necessarily disprove Kahn’s capacity to scale to them, as Kahn can still be in a similar ballpark to his opponent here, which would explain why Raiden is still able to defeat him. Not to mention, being possessed by the Elder Gods would provide Raiden with all sorts of other inherent cosmic buffs, so it’s not really as big an anti-feat as one may claim. Dark Kahn would upscale tremendously from this feat, given he’s a fusion of both Shao Kahn and Darkseid, and with Kombat Rage, Kahn would get a temporary boost in all physical attributes. Dark Kahn should thus be well above the Elder Gods in tiering. But of course, discourse will arise about the issues regarding elder god scaling, besides the Kahn fight in MK9. 

While we cleared up why this fight should undeniably be fine, let’s look at other examples of Elder God scaling and prove definitively why those instances also hold up under scrutiny.

Elemental Gods and Shinnok Scaling (MK: Mythologies Sub-Zero)

To start off with MK Mythologies scaling, the argument here is quite straightforward: Bi-Han, in a game that precedes MK1 chronologically as a prequel story, takes down several elemental gods in a journey to redeem himself after unknowingly equipping Quan-Chi with what he needs to revive Shinnok, a fallen elder god. He defeats them, in direct fights, pretty blatantly as well. Hell, he even fights and defeats Shinnok, the final boss of the game, by throwing him off a bridge, and he could only really do this via physical strength after all. Given Shao Kahn is stronger than Sonya, who defeated Bi-Han, and also defeated Scorpion, who killed Bi-Han, the scaling chain should also be fairly obvious. However, a few concerns may arise. For starters, wasn’t the fight retconned into being a retreat on Bi-Han’s end, rather than a victory? And about the Shinnok fight, didn’t the fight require cheat codes, otherwise it ends with Bi-Han’s imminent defeat. Well, rest assured, none of these criticisms really hold up under scrutiny. 

In regards to Bi-Han’s victory being retconned, it’s just wrong. MK11 Aftermath has Fujin and Bi-Han engage in a fitting rematch; with Bi-Han now being his dark shadowy counterpart Noob Saibot. While Fujin’s line of dialogue may suggest the victory was retconned, we know through several other pieces of MK11 dialogue that Mythologies’ original events absolutely still took place. What Fujin is referring to in actuality (which is clear by just looking at how the boss fight in Mythologies works), is just Bi-Han running away after Fujin attempts his suicide explosion after losing (like a sore loser smh). It’s not actually a retcon, it’s just him referencing his lame cop out strategy at the end of the fight, funnily enough. Bi-Han’s win is absolutely 100% still certain, there’s just again some confusion between all the timeline revisions and such. 

In regards to Shinnok’s defeat only being via cheat codes, this argument is kind of weird. It’s referring to the fact that an alternate strategy in the game is to just steal Shinnok’s amulet, and run away. When the game does indeed offer the chance for the player to defeat Monster form Shinnok by just shooting ice blasts at him. These ice blasts cost a large energy charge, and forces Sub-Zero to replenish his energy before the monster kills him. Considering he can harm and take hits from Shinnok it should be clear-cut, but the fact that there exists strategies posted online regarding the use of cheat codes to instantly replenish your energy caused some discourse amongst the blog. This is pretty silly; as the use of cheat codes isn’t necessary to harm Shinnok, it’s only necessary to have an unlimited energy pool. Sub-Zero’s full power is still enough to harm Shinnok and knock him off resulting in his defeat, meaning he should scale no matter what, as arguing otherwise due to the notion that it’s “his strongest attack in his magic pool”, would be analogous to arguing Dragon Ball characters’ scaling is invalid because they use the strongest moves in their arsenal to scale to a foe, which is obviously wrong.

But of course, it’s also worth noting Shinnok has other fights in the series, which allows us to look at more detailed instances of other characters.

Raiden, Liu Kang, and Johnny’s victories against Shinnok (MK4 and MKX) 

In MK4’s opening, Raiden establishes that when Shinnok went against his fellow gods, and defeated him in a war that lasted ages and plunged the earth into centuries of darkness. Considering this was possible in the original timeline, and the NRS timeline is essentially using the same characters and history, it should be reasonable to assume Raiden is able to maintain his level of power afterwards. Also, Shinnok was not shown to be undefeatable within the confines of MK4; as it is heavily implied that Liu Kang quite literally defeated him at the end of the story, as he would have remained champion of Mortal Kombat. Given Shinnok wasn’t a threat for long until Liu Kang and Earthrealm's forced defeated him; and the fact that Raiden had to defeat him for the story of MK4 to even function and go underway as it did, means that ultimately, Kahn has very direct one-to-one scaling to both kombatants who beat Shinnok, meaning he should ultimately scale via this method as well, if the aforementioned MK9 instance of no-selling their combined beam attack wasn’t enough.

While in MKX, Shinnok is seen blasting away Raiden and Fujin with his amulet, its worth noting that they receive minimal to no damage at all whilst fighting him, implying that they should be able to withstand some of the amulet’s power at least. Also, Raiden and Fujin were already weakened from having fought some of Quan-Chi’s revenants and Quan-Chi himself before this encounter; especially apparent when Kabal digs his blades into Raiden’s back and Quan injures him with his skull projectile, as well as Sindel harming Fujin with her scream. Given all the damage they took fighting foes who were as strong as them, it makes sense Shinnok would have a leg up on the two when fighting them, hence requiring assistance from Johnny, Sonya, and Kenshi. During this scuffle, once again, Shinnok blasts the heroes several times such as Fujin and Kenshi, and while it puts them down, they once again don’t sustain substantial damage, and by the time Shinnok is defeated at the end, they are completely fine. 

Also, don’t mistake any arguments regarding the usage of Johnny’s “Glow” as meaning that no character in the roster can scale to Shinnok, as this glow is explained in MKX as being a power bred to fight the gods. While it’s said to be something that only appears under conditional pretenses (when a loved one is in danger) which happens again for Cassie later on in MKX’s climax, it doesn’t take away the fact that this power has physical strength at the level of the gods. The games never really give off a Kryptonite-esque description for Cage, especially given Johnny’s ending in MK9, which shows his power as being capable of being mastered and showing clear physical strength and effects. To top it all off, Shinnok’s bio in MKX makes it abundantly clear that Raiden still defeated Shinnok in their fight, without any mention of the elder gods assisting him in the fight or carrying. The elder gods helped imprison Shinnok after his defeat, but that defeat still came at the hands of Raiden. It would be an enormous logical stretch to argue that this off-screen fight between Raiden and his rival that historically ends with Raiden winning could only be achieved via assistance from the elder gods that is just entirely unheard of simply based off of the imprisonment method. 

Many characters are also shown to scale to Cetrion thanks to the expansion that MK11 got to its base story, so we could go over that as well.

Cetrion scaling (MK11 and MK11 Aftermath)

Cetrion is Shinnok’s brother, and was actually the source of his banishment to the Netherrealm. This does clarify some things, as the aforementioned counter argument regarding the gods being a significant help in the fight against Shinnok becomes even weaker considering their participation mainly hinged on Cetrion sealing Shinnok which was entirely after his defeat. But beyond that, what we learn about Cetrion in MK11 is just that she’s the first playable elder god in the franchise (barring Shinnok), and is responsible for upholding the virtue of life and good. Despite that, she does find herself in conflict with several kombatants, one of the most important being Sindel, who’s able to fight her one on one, and harm her with her scream. Whilst Cetrion does take advantage of the fight at the beginning of their encounter, it doesn’t mean Sindel doesn’t scale, only that they’re both within a relative realm of power (and really, Cetrion also only started winning because of her superior range and flight, not to mention, this is actually an amped version of Cetrion, meaning Sindel being able to keep up with and survive against her is impressive even if she didn’t ragdoll her or whatever). 

Sindel wasn’t the only one to harm Cetrion, however. We also have Nightwolf being able to harm her while casting his enchantment that cost him his life in MK9 (which, while it did kill him and Sindel, he’s shown to be able to at least endure some of the spell in MK11), physically knock back her rock structure and dodge her attacks, as well as Fujin being able to utterly injure and maim her with his wind powers and swirl her up with a tornado, while Shang Tsung completely seals her away with his fire serpent. This type of showing isn’t exactly indicative of a kombatant that is incapable of being scaled to, especially given the fact that even the narrative wants you to know there are combatants capable of harming Cetrion (Sindel is straight up stated to be capable of harming her, and Kronika alludes to there being more warriors who can do so as well, as she says Sindel is “one of the few who can harm her”). This idea is also emphasized from the very beginning of Aftermath’s story, when Shang Fujin and Nightwolf discuss their plan to retrieve the crown, highlighting Sindel’s immense power and how it’s the type of power they could use to fight Cetrion.  

Given all of that, it seems pretty clear the intent was to allow for a good chunk of the cast in MK11 to scale to Cetrion. This connects back to Shao Kahn pretty directly, as we’ve established three characters who should scale to Cetrion based off of this. We have Shao Kahn being obviously above Shang, as his master and superior in every way. As for Fujin, he and Raiden are obvious equals, and Shao is a direct match for Raiden, as they’re commonly portrayed as rivals. Finally, he and Sindel scale to each other, since they have a dedicated shared chapter in Aftermath that revolves around them fighting the same opponents. It’s not just them having the same fights though, it’s also the fights ending the exact same way, Sindel clearly viewing Shao as her equal, and shared chapters in NRS games usually pairing two relatively even characters to face a shared conflict. So at the end of the day, a large portion of the higher end scaling in MK11 and Aftermath should apply to Kahn, which of course by proxy means it would also apply to Dark Kahn.

If you’re still hesitant on this scaling due to Cetrion in MK11 requiring the combination of Liu Kang and Raiden to fuse (turning into FGLK), as well as the fact that the story presents Jacqui and Jax Briggs are needing the crown to amp them, even going so far as the two comparing it to the glow amp that Cassie and Johnny receive, recall that Aftermath came out after MK11, and detailed quite a number of changes and improvements indicating that it was done to not only add to the base story, but also revise and fix it. Thus, it would be a lot more imperative to prioritize the info that came after, and while that isn’t always the case in Mortal Kombat when it comes to scaling, as we can also look to older entries when it comes to lore, Aftermath should be taken at face value when it comes to the scaling that it’s providing to us, especially given how much more open the game is with direct threats to elder gods. MK11’s interpretation of Cetrion’s strength would simply be more outdated (which to be fair, given the game portrays a pretty insignificant and one-off bridge creation scene for her that scalers like to harp to as a silly limit for her strength, isn’t too far from the truth). Also recall that Kahn could easily be compared to Liu and Raiden for scaling, meaning the whole “Liu and Raiden needing to fuse to beat Cetrion” concept isn’t totally indicative of Kahn’s inability to scale either.  

There’s also some discourse on if the Elder Gods are truly Universal or not, and for that, we’d likely have to turn to MK Deception

Elder Gods and One Being Myth (MK Deception)

The Elder gods and One Being myth is a pretty important one to go over, it’s been repeated to death a lot so we’ll summarize it shortly here, especially given how clear-cut it is. Essentially, it just tells the story of the Elder gods and one being, cosmic entities that existed before the creation of the realms. A war was waged between the two with the elder gods coming out victorious. How they killed the one being was by splitting him physically into the realms using the Kamidogu, which they forged with their own energies. Then, each fragment of the one being was sealed within a kamidogu and the realms represent said fragments.

A common counter argument against the Elder Gods scaling to the One Being is that they needed the Kamidogu to do so, and that Kamidogu would be argued as inherent durability negation, however, this misses a very big and important contextual detail towards how the Elder Gods won against the One Being. Recall: that NOTHING existed prior to the realms’ creation, meaning inherently, the Kamidogu would have needed to have been created by the Elder Gods’ own energies, meaning they would obviously scale back to it. It would make zero sense to argue that they can’t scale to something that they themselves formed from their own power. Additionally, the Kamidogu is kind of a traditional piercing weapon, so to argue this mystical blade that cut up the universal entity is just randomly “dura neg” is quite silly 

Moving on from the Elder Gods; there’s one other entity in the MK series who’s revered for having immense strength, potentially on par with the gods, and that is MK Armageddon’s Blaze. Let’s explain his whole deal as well.

Blaze’s feats and scaling (MK Armageddon)  

Blaze is a character technically introduced in MK Deadly Alliance, as a means to plant the seed for him to take the role of main antagonist in MK Armageddon. Essentially, the god Argus and his wife Delia discover that in the future, Mortal Kombat becomes a cosmic conflict that grows powerful enough to cause a literal Armageddon (hence the name), as the warriors end up tapping into the very forces that created the universe. 

Armageddon is an event where every realm within the cosmology will be destroyed, and reality itself will shatter. This extends past just realms and essentially means that the totality of MK as the warriors know it would be erased. Argus decides that a safeguard he could employ to prevent Armageddon would be creating Blaze. The whole point of Blaze is to prevent Armageddon from ever occurring, as he would erupt atop the pyramid of argus and cause the kombatants to ultimately kill each other in the ensuing conflict. Blaze is said in Deadly Alliance to have been on a quest throughout the game’s events throughout the realms before being attacked by Onaga’s holy men, and forced to guard the great dragon egg. He was trapped and enslaved beneath the chamber of incubation, where his ending then details his escape as he’s finally able to resume his original task. This is then confirmed to be the case in his Armageddon ending, where it’s stated that the spell used to control him corrupted his original design, and when it came to finishing his goal, he defeated all that opposed him and brought about Armageddon starting in the edenian crater, and ultimately destroying all of the realms. But how does this scale back to Kahn? Well…

While Taven was supposed to be the original winner of Armageddon and the one to take down Blaze, this detail was blatantly retconned and altered in MK9, as Shao Kahn is seen being the victor in the fight against Blaze. You can’t argue that Kahn would only scale via scheming behind outlasting all other kombatants in Armageddon and taking Blaze’s power for himself when all others are dead, as he was explicitly taken away by Onaga during Armageddon’s opening cinematic. This means what likely occurred was that Kahn fought Onaga in a fight, defeated him, and then made his way back to the pyramid of Argus. At the end of the day, Kahn is seen having absorbed Blaze’s power, meaning he either killed Blaze directly, or killed someone else who absorbed Blaze’s power, as these are the most straightforward and logical directions to be interpret from MK9’s retcon. Given Blaze’s aforementioned destruction of the realms, this is definitely nothing to scoff at.

But Blaze isn’t the only one with endings detailing the destruction of the realms in Armageddon, as many other characters have endings that detail a similar level of destruction. There’s also controversy over whether Armageddon would actually involve annihilating all the realms, and if characters can fully scale. Not to mention, some debatability behind the amps that these characters receive from Blaze, so let’s go over those as well:

It’s worth noting that Armageddon is 100% supposed to entail complete destruction of the realms. The only realm that would likely be immune to this destruction would be the Void beyond the realms, as it’s well, outside of the realms. In Kai’s ending, we explicitly get confirmation that the future holds no realms or reality anymore. He absorbs Blaze’s powers and psychically connects with the One Being, allowing him to observe the past, present, and future, but when he looked forward, nothing remained. Thus, the scale of Armageddon’s destruction being thorough and complete rather than just life-wiping is pretty straight forward. Most other characters detail “universal” destruction with their endings as well.

Smoke: His ending depicts the nanobots within him multiplying at an exponential rate thanks to the power of Blaze, which allows him to completely overtake and consume the entire realm of Edenia, transforming it into a sentient gray material of smoke. 

Fujin: His ending depicts the wind god becoming a storm of justice, who is able to create an entire new realm at whim from the remnants of the destroyed and shattered realms left behind by Shao Kahn.

Raiden: His ending depicts his power being increased beyond comprehension, and surpassing all other gods before him. With this newfound power, he released his fury upon ALL the realms, destroying them. This is not stated to take a significant amount of time. Only Earthrealm remained from Raiden’s rampage.

Frost: Her ending depicts her freezing power becoming far more powerful than before, allowing her to revive her fallen ancestors in Outworld and conquering every realm, leaving all of them a frozen wasteland.

Sheeva: Her ending depicts her becoming a goddess of destruction who laid waste to the realms (this one meanwhile, was explicitly one by one, but is still impressive), from which they then reformed, and looked nothing like they were before.

Shao Kahn: His ending depicts him merging every single realm into Outworld using Blaze’s power

Havik: His ending depicts him infusing with the power of Blaze, allowing him to destabilize the realms, and then rip, tear, and reshape in grotesque ways, to the point that nothing remained of the former universe.

Titan Kano (MK Legends: Snow Blind)

Other than the Gods and Elder Gods, the only other class of fighters higher up in the hierarchy are the Titans, the progenitors of everything in Mortal Kombat, responsible for producing Elder Gods as their offsprings and representing key fundamental elements of reality, such as time. Kronika is the main Titan shown in modern MK entries, and it’s very likely that Kahn should indeed scale to her caliber, for multiple reasons. For starters, in MK Legends: Snow Blind, a film that released in 2022, a key argument is unveiled. The big twist in the third act of the film is that the movie takes place in the timeline presented in Kano’s MK11 Arcade Ending, acting as a continuation/sequel of MK11’s story by proxy. If you’re ever wondering How Kano managed to overthrow and control the entire world, it’s pretty simple, he defeated Kronika. This is a pretty huge revelation, as it shows characters with… less than impressive win rates and physical stats being capable of scaling to the supposed top dogs of the verse. Why wouldn’t this just be an outlier? Well, to put it simply, the MK writers double down on this idea and clearly intend for it to be an important narrative point in the story, given in MK1’s base story, Liu Kang name drops Kano as a potential candidate for winning the fight for control of the Hourglass. This is a very intentional nod to the film, which came out only a year prior to the game’s release, and is a way for NRS to enforce the idea that all of these alternate timelines representative of a basic kombatant seizing control of the Hourglass are canon and absolutely probable within the verse. 

One may present even more questions to the nature of this argument though, such as the possibility of Kano beating Kronika after someone else weakens her first, or using some other underhanded method to steal the Hourglass for himself, but simply put, none of these arguments check out when examined with a logical lens, and it’s very clear that this is just MK11 Kano being capable of defeating Kronika in a fight. Even setting aside the fact that Occam’s Razor inherently favors the most basic interpretation of the fighting game player beating the final boss and obtaining their prize in this case, instead of some convoluted headcanon about ways Kano could scheme a way to obtain something that is unexplained and unsupported in canon (even if that is certainly in-character for him), basic evidence in the series proves that this is a fairly direct scaling argument. In the Snow Blind scene, glimpses of Kano’s arcade ladder ending are shown shot for shot through the Hourglass’ reflection, meaning it’s intended to be a 1-1 depiction of the game’s ending, where we’re clearly told that Kano spared Kronika’s life after defeating her in a fight, and obtained the Hourglass thanks to it. Nothing about achieving it through other means or letting someone else do all the work to defeat her. As such, there would be a major burden of proof attached to this counter-argument. An old Sub Zero who didn’t train for years was able to defeat Kano. Making Dark Kahn scaling even more valid. 

MK1 (Base Story)

The story of MK1 takes place after MK11 Aftermath and follows Fire God Liu Kang in his new timeline. Liberating the hourglass and restarting history, Liu Kang is stated to created a new a big bang and sketch out the realms which is already impressive enough as established in our discussion on the realms. With the new start of the new timeline, classic faces do make their return with a bit of a remix, such as Raiden no longer being a god, Johnny no longer having his powers, Mileena being a real sister to Kitana, Shao Kahn no longer being an emperor and Shang Tsung’s destiny being made so that he can never reign terror ever again. Skipping to the end of the story mode it turns out Titan Shang Tsung is alive??? But how? This is where the big discussion for stats comes from. 

You see Shang Tsung and Liu Kang's battle released a mammoth energies that ripped across time, in turn creating several branching timelines, how many? Try ENDLESS. These timelines have vastly different outcomes. In the one we played through, Liu Kang beat Shang Tsung, However Titan Shang defeated Liu Kang in his. In other timelines it was Jade who defeated Kronika, Raiden, Sindel, and even Kano. Now it’s important to note a couple things about this feat. For one, this is a feat done by Liu Kang and Shang and NOT the hourglass. The statement specifically says their battle released energy and has nothing to do with the hourglass and nothing even states as such. Their energies are what created all these timelines, as a mere byproduct of their fight, similar titans can destroy all the timelines but that will be discussed later. 

Now we need to discuss the final chapter in which Liu Kang and Shang Tsung battle one last time with their armies and strongest fighters they can find for control of time. So who puts down Shang Tsung once and for all? Well that’s kinda tricky and where the big question of modern MK scaling comes from. EVERYONE is playable at the end and as stated before, a lot of these characters aren’t as well trained or much weaker than their previous timeline counterpart form a narrative scale (Liu Kang specifically made it so people like Shao Kahn and Shang Tsung couldn’t rise to become their previous timeline threat). This would mean characters no matter their status as a high or low tier, jobber or important character can likely scale to Titan Shang Tsung and their timeline creation feat in both AP and Speed. 

Now there's one thing that many will question. Didn’t Liu Kang specifically say he got the strongest warriors across time? He even says he will send you back to your timeline after you beat Titan Shang. While this is true it’s important to note the characters you see throughout the campaign were still present and fought against Shang’s forces regardless if they were at the top or not. The statement is also not necessarily contradictory, considering the fact that sending alternate timeline warriors to their own timelines AND sending the main timeline warriors back to their own timelines both align consistently with the grammar of Liu Kang’s sentence. As for him recruiting specifically the Titan versions, this only occurs if he’s recruiting versions of enemies from his timeline, otherwise, it’s portrayed as just being the standard kombatants from the main timeline we follow

This by proxy can be given to Dark Kahn as he is already a higher tier character who has been further amped and seeing how characters like Kano and Baraka can defeat Titans there’s no doubt DK (not to be confused with Donkey Kong) can. He’s also a direct match for names Liu Kang drops in regards to being able to kill Kronika to gain the Hourglass, such as Sindel, so overall, it should be pretty straightforward having Dark Kahn scale within the game’s arguments.

Titan Havik and Noob Saibot Scaling (MK1 Khaos Reigns)

Similar to MK11, MK1 also had an expansion to its base story in the form of Khaos Reigns, which follows a condensed story arc featuring the Lin Kuei attacking the Shirai Ryu, and the threat of another timeline invading the main one. Specifically, Titan Havik comes to Liu Kang’s timeline to cause chaos, and reveals that he supplied Titan Shang Tsung with his fusion fighters at the end of 1’s climax. After Bi-Han is defeated and captured by the heroes, he and Cyrax and Sektor help fight against the otherworldly threat, which results in Bi-Han being taken by Havik and killed; however, Havik rebuilds him to become the deadly wraith Noob Saibot, just like in the original timeline. 

A lot of questions arise regarding this development in the story, especially once Noob is freed from Havik’s control at the end and is able to fight back against him. Specifically, Noob is given the final chapter in Khaos Reigns and ends up fully being responsible for fighting, defeating, and tearing Titan Havik apart. This is an explicitly Titan-level feat, however, questions arise due to the nature of the scaling.

First of all, Noob would NOT have been able to properly tear Havik apart or beat him had he not been strong enough. A common rebuttal comes down to Noob mentioning that learning Havik’s fighting skills and style is what allowed him to win. However, this is just an invalid argument, as the story clearly depicts Noob being able to almost completely kill him. No amount of fighting style knowledge would help Noob physically take on an opponent as strong as Titan Havik, that would just be very illogical. Thus, we must interpret his victory over Havik as meaning he’s strong enough to face and beat Titans.

But what about Noob going to face Fire God Liu Kang afterwards? Wasn’t it made very clear that he would’ve gotten stomped completely by Liu? Well, not exactly. While it is easy to interpret this scene as just the story depicting Noob as being in a league far below Liu, 

Invasions (MK1)

The final piece of evidence is the secondary mode for MK1, invasions. Invasions are a set of stories that take place after the game’s main story, and are likely intended to be canon, given so many of them reference the main game’s events or other important canonical details (not to mention the whole premise of Invasions is essentially the threat of other timelines being present after the revelations discovered in the base story). 

MK1’s final chapter had you battle Titan Shang Tsung, one of the creators of the infinite timelines. So who beats him… technically everyone. Every character in the base roster is selectable to defeat Shang and the cast even talks about how they defeated him. Similarly, invasions is a mode that has you play as anyone and defeat an invading Titan character who threatens all timelines. These aren’t characters at their peak either, many of the characters can be argued to be lesser than their previous timeline counterpart. Raiden isn’t a god, Johnny Cage doesn’t have his powers, Rain isn’t a Demi God, and most importantly, Shao Kahn isn’t an emperor, but a general. Liu Kang specifically made it to where he would not be on the same track as the original Kahn (same with Shang Tsung), Not only showing the fire god himself still feared the fight of Shao Kahn but also how even a narratively weaker Kahn can still scale to the timelines.

Arguments Against

When looking over the vast array of Mortal Kombat scaling, Dark Kahn can not and should not scale to Titan feats in any metric, as well as some other feats we need to go over. Starting off, let’s establish an effective hierarchy for the series. Given the various characters, this would go something along the lines of Kronika/Titans > One Being > Elder Gods > Gods > Everyone else. In this case, there are hordes of inconsistencies with scaling people directly to anybody under Kronika, let alone Titans themselves. Starting with the Elder Gods, all arguments in favor of them being comparable to the main cast or even someone like Shao Kahn are simply not viable. For the earliest case, let’s look at Shinnok. None of the main cast can reliably scale to him, and all the examples seeming like that have caveats. 

Shinnok/Cetrion/Elder Gods

For the first example, let’s look at Bi-Han, the original Sub-Zero who “fought” Shinnok in Mortal Kombat Legends. It has been argued that he beat Shinnok, but when looking at the game, he clearly did not actually win the fight in-canon or in any logistical metric. The entire strategy of the level is to freeze him in place for a time in order to steal the amulet, and if you can’t do that, Shinnok kills him in seconds. Upon actually stealing it, Shinnok morphs into a giant monster and the game opens a portal for you to run into, openly encouraging you to run. The cutscene right after also displays Bi-Han leaping for his life while bloody and battered, so it’s clear that he can’t actually compare to Shinnok here. What makes this even worse was that the “amulet” he stole was a fake that Quan-Chi had given his master, so he was getting stomped by an ordinary Shinnok. This is made worse by the argument that Bi-Han can knock the monster off of the bridge. How does he do this? By cheating (no, really). The only move that damages the monster is the Polar/Ice Blast, a screen-wide AOE that drains 90% of your magical energy; AKA the most deadly move in his arsenal. Please note that this does only 15% damage to the monster in one usage, and you must use it multiple times in succession to beat him and knock him off of the bridge. 

Then, to make matters worse, the only way you have time to do it succession is enabling cheat codes and using multiple Urns in order to refill your magic, because per the mechanics of the game, you are fully incapable of using this move repeatedly otherwise. As the final nail in the coffin for the monster itself, it kills you in two strikes, and the way the AI works is to smash the ground and force you back into the portal or you will flat out die. So, to recap, he can’t do anything to an amulet-less Shinnok or he’ll die in seconds, and against the monster, the in-canon ending has him book it for his life while already extremely injured in order to survive. The monster kills you in mere seconds and is programmed by the game itself to simply force you through the portal, and the most you can do is use cheat codes to spam the strongest move in your arsenal that drains nearly your entire magic stockpile because it is impossible to do damage otherwise. Even then, all it does on its own is deal 15% damage, “beating him” knocks him off the bridge… and again, this interaction is non-canon (this somewhat victorious interaction only earns hidden BTS content and the canon cutscene that follows this is him running for his life) on top of being fully impossible in the game's code without cheating. So no, Bi-Han scaling to Shinnok in any metric is objectively not what is going on here.

Of course, there are other examples of fighting Shinnok, as well as his sister Cetrion. Shinnok still holds other examples of comparison to the main cast, so let’s go over those. First, there’s Raiden and other normal Gods, who he is pretty clearly above or comparable to even without the amulet. He was solidly beating and nearly killed both Raiden and Fujin with it, and without it, he easily deflected Raiden’s lightning and similarly one-shot Fujin. He fares even better against the mortal characters, like one-tapping Kenshi, and easily beating both Sonya Blade and Johnny Cage at the same time. Johnny landed a sum total of one hit while his enemy was still taking it casual (blocking with one hand) and then Shinnok just threw him aside with his powers like a rag doll. Still, Johnny did fight Shinnok later with more success, but they were from his green magic deux ex machina powers that other characters can’t scale to, which naturally gave him an edge against Shinnok beyond even someone like Raiden. He outright ignored a blast from him that would have killed Sonya, and he himself fully expected to die before his powers protected him. Even in this fight, Shinnok got up again right after pretty much fine, and the way they won was Raiden using the Amulet on Shinnok to seal him away. 

Besides that, nobody really compares to Shinnok on their own. While Raiden “defeated” him millennia ago, this wasn’t something he could do on his own, very evidently. Raiden outright states it took the Gods as a collective to beat him, and given Shinnok’s clear superiority in their recent battles, that much is clear. Even originally, Raiden required the help of the Elder Gods to defeat Shinnok, so he can’t compare on his own, and even still, Cetrion was the one to beat him and cast him into the Netherealm as stated by her MK11 bio, so at that point nobody compares to him besides other Elder Gods. The MK4 manuals also state that once Shinnok returned he killed all major Gods besides Raiden and Fujin, so Raiden matching him on his own is simply not what happened in-canon, whether by retcon or what the games have been saying since he showed up. Speaking of MK4, while Liu Kang defeated Shinnok in his ending, this isn’t meaningful to much for multiple reasons. Namely, Shinnok once again did not have his Amulet, so on his lonesome all he holds are examples of scaling to normal Gods and such. Even still, his defeat here is mainly just casting him back down to the Netherrealm, so him “defeating” Shinnok is up for debate. Cassie similarly beat Shinnok like her dad, but only through the macguffin powers she wields. In base, he was casually mollywhopping her, and she could only match him after her powers kicked in. So, nobody can reliably scale to Shinnok on their own, and especially not to other Elder Gods. 

Still, there’s also the matter of his sister, Cetrion, who the main cast also cannot reliably match on their lonesome. Jax/Jacqui only fought Cetrion with Kronika’s crown, and even after the fight, while she was put at a disadvantage, she stated the entire time she did not wish to hurt them, and still got up for more punishment to them. They outright stated they had no chance against Cetrion normally or any Elder God for that matter, explicitly. So, them needing a Godly amp and still only beating her back for a bit before their bodies couldn’t take the strain anymore isn’t the best argument for scaling. Granted, Sindel fought her in MK11 Aftermath, but this doesn’t actually mean she wholeheartedly scales on her own. Their first fight without any interference had Cetrion clearly take the advantage with her strikes and power, and Cetrion was evidently clearly going to kill her if things continued. Nightwolf stepped in to save her, and he himself was being pretty easily dispatched before pulling out a ritual of some kind that weakened her enough for Sindel to damage her (this same ritual killed Sindel in MK9, food for thought). Sindel held her own and put her on the back foot, but the battle was only won with the aid of Fujin and Shang Tsung further damaging her; in essence, a jumping. Sindel was clearly going to die before being saved by Nightwolf, and only won through the aid of others, so she doesn’t 100% scale if at all. 

Besides that, another facet that debunks Elder God scaling is Blaze. For those who don’t know, Blaze was a fire elemental that the Elder Gods created for their Armageddon, in a very long story. Point is, Blaze is super powerful, but even his power can’t compete with the Elder Gods. Notably, even despite the amps the characters get, pretty much all of which make them vastly stronger than all other characters barring the Elder Gods, none of them can actually beat or prevail against them. Sub-Zero became an Ice God after having absorbed Blaze’s power, and they sent their champions to hunt down/destroy him. Rain became a God after absorbing his power, and an Elder God is forbidden to interfere directly to stop him, which would happen if allowed. Shunjiko had him absorb Blaze and literally all the combatants Chi, killing them all, and aiming to fight the Elder Gods (the outcome is left ambiguous, but he literally absorbed the strength of every single Kombatant on top of Blaze’s amp before doing so, making scaling to him wholly impossible). Kobra got a 1000 times amp and demanded from the Elder Gods, so they indirectly killed him without a second thought. Quan Chi grew in power “beyond his wildest imaginings,” confronted the Elder Gods, and was promptly defeated by being turned into a Kamidogu. 

In short, every single example of Blaze’s powers being absorbed that has the characters get too big for their britches results in the Elder Gods just casually taking care of them or being noted able to do so, like with Rain. Now, Shao Kahn himself has an example which could lead credence to scaling in MK9, but it reasonably shouldn’t. Essentially, Shao Kahn fought Raiden while he held the powers of the Elder Gods, and then (insert scaling arguments). Even despite this seeming like a chance to scale him, it and the story of the game shout the opposite. Notably, Raiden was under a prophecy/instruction of “he must win” in the game to prevent Kahn’s future Armaggeddon in a very weird time travel play. Turns out, this was in reference to Shao Kahn, because he would not be following the rules of Mortal Kombat by merging realms before truly triumphing in the Tournament, enacting judgement of the Elder Gods and a surefire loss. So, Kahn vs the Elder Gods is narratively and blatantly a fight that will surely end in his losing. In the actual fight, after Raiden got the Elder Gods powers, Kahn laughed off a blast from them. Raiden still won without much actual damage to him while Kahn was battered enough to barely swing his hammer, and then the Elder Gods true power was unleashed onto him to kill him and be taken to further judgement. The laugh example may make you think he could still scale, but this is clearly the Elder Gods not trying their hardest against him, since by the end of the fight Shao Kahn was thoroughly stomped to the point that he could barely attack to begin with. Once their full power was introduced, Shao Kahn was pretty much instantly killed and taken away for further judgement by the Elder Gods. Given the clear narrative, Shao Kahn just doesn’t scale to their full power. 

Finally, in Mortal Kombat: Deception, Raiden was fighting Onaga along with the Deadly Alliance (Shang Tsung and Quan Chi, both fairly powerful sorcerers). Onaga had at this point gained might equivalent to the Elder Gods, and he easily dispelled their magic before ignoring it while he walked toward them. Raiden realized that victory was impossible, so he proceeded to use a suicide nuke that also killed the Alliance while using his Godlike Essence period. The result? The narrator explicitly stated “Raiden’s sacrifice was in vain, for the blast had little effect on the Dragon King,” and he got up a second later unfazed. So, we explicitly have Raiden expelling all of his magic in a suicide blast on a being similar in scope to the Elder Gods, and it does practically nothing, while his earlier attacks were literally walked through without a care.

So, when paired with the various negative examples of Shinnok, Cetrion, Blaze, Onaga, and even Shao Kahn himself, it becomes clear that no mortal or immortal character can match the Elder Gods. Even in Shinnok’s MKX ending where he merges them all back into the One Being, he isn’t the one who defeats them, but the One Being is. At that point, even then he had his Amulet, and since nobody scales to that, nobody can scale to however you interpret his feat in that regard. Now that that’s established, let’s move onto the bigger fish in Kronika as well as the Titans. First, let’s cover her canonical defeat at the hands of Fire God Liu Kang. 

Now, since this new deity was created by Raiden merging with Liu Kang, you would naturally think this was only a 2 times increase, and that they formed half of the fusion, right? Well, actually not. While they aren’t used much, magical fusions in Mortal Kombat very blatantly drastically increase the powers of all under their effect, like in our old pal Blaze. Every time someone absorbs his power after beating him, they undergo a massive power boost despite being his equal in Kombat. Heck, in Raiden’s own case, his absorbing Blaze’s strength turned him into a deity beyond all the other Gods, and again, the fight would have them as near equals, just like Liu Kang. This is pretty consistent, as several other characters instantly turn into a God upon gaining Blaze’s powers, no matter how low in the hierarchy they are (Sheeva, Liu Kang, Sindel, Nitara, Goro, etc). They also get outright power increases, like Shao Kahn increasing 10 fold, Fujin’s increasing exponentially, or Kobra getting amplified a thousand times over. It even makes jobbers like Baraka able to one-shot both Shao Kahn and Onaga, as well as similar cases of weaker characters jumping to the heights of the normal ranks instantly or just flatout killing the entire cast. So, the nature of fusion in Mortal Kombat is incredibly unpredictable, and scaling to individual halves of a greater whole simply is not viable. 

Finally, we come to the Titans and Kronika. Since Kronika is higher up on the ladder than an Elder God, this scaling already meets hordes of scrutiny. Even scaling regular Ninjas or Kombatants to Gods like Raiden and Shao Kahn are difficult in a consistent metric, but this is all the more unusable when speaking of Elder Gods or the One Being, who Kronika is above. Leaping straight into it, the argument goes that there are several timelines where each character defeated Kronika to become a Keeper of Time. Thus, each individual character on their own merit would be capable of beating Kronika and scaling to all her feats, right? Well, no not really, as the game explains rather bluntly. Fire God Liu Kang and Titan Shang Tsung’s battle ripped apart time, creating alternate timelines instead of there just being one. These battles represent alternate outcomes based on possibility, not certainty, and merely different things that could have happened. There is a major difference between “this could happen” and “this would happen,” especially in context. 

For an example of what I mean, let’s revisit the plot of the original game. It ended with Raiden merging with Liu Kang to form a new Fire God, who led a war of the game’s protagonists against Kronika’s forces. By this point only Kung Lao and Kitana were with him, as everyone else was occupied. Then, for his battle with Kronika, none of them were present. See the issue yet? Per the canon timeline of the game, other characters were obviously occupied and not present at that battle, meaning canonically they couldn’t have happened unless the game was vastly different. This doubles for other characters, like how Kano was killed midway through the story by Sonya, Shao Kahn was killed by Kitana, Kotal Kahn was paralyzed by Shao Kahn, Cetrion was absorbed by her mother for strength, and so on. All of these alternate endings where characters actually beat Kronika are quite literally impossible in the game’s story, and thus simply part of unidentifiable timelines that clearly went much differently. 

One such example of this is Kano, and his movie of Snow Blind. He gained control of the Hourglass and killed Kronika somehow in order to make this alternate timeline, but once again, he was explicitly killed by Sonya earlier in the game. Even worse, right after this, Sonya narrowly escaped Geras, someone far from his mother in power. Human characters besides Liu Kang and perhaps Scorpion have an incredibly spotty track record against even normal God characters like Raiden, let alone any higher arguments, but this outcome would ensure Kano jumps several tiers to battle Kronika when by all accounts he should have been dead. We have no context on how this timeline went to justify such a leap in logic and difference from canon, especially since all parts contradict themselves. The arcade ending has Kano spare Kronika, despite her attitude never allowing something like that, when (just like all other arcade endings) it ends prior with Kronika dying to the Hourglass. Yet despite that, he has her skull in the movie, when no body should have been left, and he outright spared her? Even despite that, Kano outright states he was confused upon first finding the Hourglass, despite being fully explained upon the subject in the game and being one of Kronika’s first allies. Add in that we have no context on how he got it, the inconsistencies with his endings and what made him even around to get it to begin with, and scaling him to Kronika outright is all but impossible.

This continues with the other examples, where once again, several characters who beat Kronika in other timelines could not have been there, were dead, indisposed, or not even in the story like Stryker for example. Liu Kang outright states this, where the Hourglass outcomes of the battle were other scenarios where others could be Keepers of Time. This is similar to Titan Shang Tsung discerning that his battle with Fire God Liu Kang had two outcomes where either won, where it is simply outcomes of infinite possibility; not 100% certainty. On its own this sounds impressive, but once again, characters frequently lose to and are proved vastly inferior to Gods, Elder Gods, the One Being, and more examples in a clear hierarchy. Kronika is vastly more powerful than all of these examples put together, and all characters in the series have several antifeats on top of narrative standing that makes actually judging these alternate scenarios as being fully possible simply nonsensical with the course of the series. Ed Boon himself stated he went into things with a concept of a multiverse with infinite possibilities, where anything was possible, not 100 or any percent logical in-canon. For example, Spider-Man could kill Thanos in a What-If, but the actual Earth-616 version has never showcased that power and is never consistently at that level, so it would simply be disregarded as an outlier inapplicable to his canon self. 

In tune with MK11 and MK1 themselves, this further tears scaling arguments asunder. For reference, the Titan Shang Tsung in MK1 was the one we saw in MK11’s DLC. This matters because in this DLC where Shang Tsung got Kronika’s Crown, he proceeded to easily mop the floor with all sorts of top tiers supposedly capable of beating Kronika normally. He easily beat Raiden and Fujin with just the Crown, let alone another elephant in the room we will look at in a sec. Even early in the story, Kronika without her crown was beating Raiden, Fujin, and Shang Tsung all by herself. She endured attacks from all parties including Fujin with the Crown, until efore his mind couldn’t take it and he dropped it, but supposedly people can beat her after she was amped on her home turf? Not likely. 

MK1 holds the biggest flaw in this, where it shows all of these Titan versions. Liu Kang goes to war against Shang Tsung’s army of Titans, with exclusively Titans on his side. No matter which character you pick, they all return to their own timeline by Liu Kang’s help, and without that argument there is no sustainable example of a regular character actually beating Kronika or a Titan without context throwing a wrench in it and making it impossible to scale back to the characters in question… except possibly one. 

At the end of MK1, the newly formed Noob Saibot defeats Titan Havik in a one-on-one fight, which throws a wrench in things due to how inconsistent it is. When he first awoke, Bi-Han fought Scorpion and Empress Tanya, losing to the latter. After, he fought several Khaos allies of Havik successfully, before beating Havik himself. Even despite how straightforward it seems, its still odd for various reasons. Bi-Han attributes his victory to knowing Havik and how his abilities work directly, while also pulling all of his limbs off to counter his regeneration when he could casually pull his own limbs off earlier. Even after this victory, Liu Kang was soundly depicted above him, and Geras easily countered him when he tried striking Liu Kang. Finally, there’s the matter of MK1 Invasions, where you face Titans of neighboring timelines. However, none of this can reliably be granted either considering the entire finale of MK1 had Liu Kang fight the Dark Titan army with his Light Titan army. Narratively, consistently, and objectively, Titans are meant to be far above everyone else. The only counter options to this are to take all the alternate timelines nothing like ours as proof that low-middle or even higher tiers like Shao Kahn can beat beings above Elder Gods despite the many examples of proof otherwise, such as Bi-Han vs Shinnok. Kano’s example lacks any context and is inconsistent all around, and Noob Saibot’s is just odd in general that Shao Kahn can’t benefit from, and especially not Dark Kahn given the elephant in the room; both Shao Kahn and Dark Kahn have objectively been proven weaker than Titans in their own stories.

Going back to Kronika, she rewrote the timeline for Dark Kahn’s permutation to begin with; wiping him and all of his history out of existence. This exact logic of the Hourglass being beyond basically everyone is why statements like Kronika being superior to the Elder Gods to begin with, and there are direct examples of this in the actual story. Going back to Titan Shang Tsung, once he received Kronika’s Crown (becoming her equal) and used his mastery of souls along with his building it to begin with to fight his way to the Hourglass, he was unstoppable to everyone. We mentioned he easily dealt with Raiden and Fujin, but he also solidly outmatched both Shao Kahn and Sindel one after the other (practically one-shotting them before the fight even started) and killed them with ease. Let me say that again: a Titan explicitly and solidly outmatched Shao Kahn in the story on top of an ally of similar strength, and the worst of it is how he still got stronger after truly becoming a Titan. After the fight he only absorbed more power, through his fallen foes, on top of the energy prior from the Godly brothers, as well as Cetrion, but he still lost to Fire God Liu Kang or at best matched him enough to win in an alternate timeline. Even worse, Liu Kang allowed all of this to happen because only Shang Tsung’s knowledge of the Crown would allow a user of it to best Kronika, meaning nobody else in the series in that scenario could replicate his actions. 

In short, no example exists that shows Dark Kahn can scale to this level of power. He was erased by the Hourglass just like everybody else and an inferior being like the Elder Gods or the One Being, and Shao Kahn was explicitly heavily outmatched by a Shang Tsung only beginning to tap into Titan powers. All the examples of alternate universe characters becoming Titans conflicts with the story of all parties such as Kano, and the sheer laundry list of examples of people being objectively below Elder Gods (who are themselves below Kronika) adds even more inconsistency troubles. MK1 has all Titan scaling be regulated to Titans only, with the ending of that game being so blatant that arguing regular characters scale to Titans in Invasions is simply a massive contradiction. Even the story of those games themselves has Liu Kang pull allies from other Timelines just like before like several Raiden’s to battle a Dark Raiden, so arguing regular Johnny Cage or whoever scales is simply not what the games are saying. Add in all the examples of people not scaling to Titans or the Hourglass, several more of not scaling to Elder Gods who are below Titans, the inconsistencies of how people become Titans to begin with in alternate timelines, and Shao Kahn himself blatantly losing to a weaker Titan Shang Tsung, and as we said prior, Dark Kahn can not and should not scale to Titan feats in any metric. 

MK Feats in general 

I: Blaze

Now that we’ve discussed why Dark Kahn shouldn’t scale to Titans, we still have to cover MK scaling to begin with due to misconceptions about power levels and such. Starting, let’s cover the matter of a powerful non-Elder God, Blaze. As the final final boss at the time, his power is often used to place characters at universal because his ending has him destroy all the realms (IE; the universe) and since he canonically died to Shao Kahn before Raiden reset the timeline, that means Shao Kahn is universal, right? Not exactly. Make no mistake, Blaze is fairly strong, but as the game’s many endings show, he can’t destroy the universe all in one go. Looking at the wording specifically, his victory states the following:

"During his ages-long quest to monitor the realms, Blaze had been enslaved by Onaga's holy men and forced to guard the great dragon egg. The spell used to control him corrupted his original design. When his final objective atop the pyramid came to pass, he was unstoppable and defeated all who challenged him. As foreseen by the sorceress Delia, Armageddon began in the Edenian crater and spread throughout the realms, shattering reality until there was nothing."

As the ending states, Blaze did indeed shatter reality, but not all at once; UNTIL there was nothing. It being an action that spread throughout the realms starting at Edenia clearly indicates it took a timeframe and not all at once. On its own you could argue it either way depending on your stance, but the issue is we see similar feats happen in the story from those using Blaze’s powers and they all are subservient to this same flaw. Havik gaining Blaze’s powers threatened the stability of the realms (making them rip/tear/reshape) and soon the universe became Chaos; not all at once. Sheeva was made a Goddess of Destruction by the Elder Gods after absorbing Blaze’s power, and destroyed the realms one by one with a powerful Kamidogu; not all at once. Tanya conquered the universe realm by realm; not all at once, and so did Frost in her ending. Adding salt to the wound, Nitara conquering all realms had her turn all fighters into slaves before this. 

Even Shao Kahn and Raiden’s endings still hold clear problems. Raiden’s destruction of all the realms is given no timeframe, and even then he was explicitly stated stronger than every other God at the time. Shao Kahn merged all the realms into one, but it is instead stated as the following: “Blaze was no match for Shao Kahn the Conqueror. His strength increased tenfold, the forces of light could not fend off his final invasion as he merged each realm with Outworld.” Merging each one instead of saying “merging them all” once more falls into the category of this being one-by-one, and nothing suggests he could do it all at once when all the other examples of destroying or conquering the realms outright explicitly takes time (Havik, Sheeva, Tanya, etc). Supporting this, we can actually look at other cosmic examples of Blaze’s power in other endings. When Fujin’s power increased exponentially, he created a new realm from shattered remains of worlds that had fallen to Shao Kahn. Blaze’s power taking over Smoke’s nanobots allowed them to quickly take over and corrupt the entire realm of Edenia. Moloch absorbing Blaze’s power turned him into a Destroyer of Worlds, and he trashed Edenia over time. So, every example of quick or outright power showings over areas clearly extends to only one realm at a time. Fujin created a single realm from parts of Outworld, while Smoke and Moloch could tarnish all of Edenia. Since all the other examples of altering the universe explicitly take timeframes, this means similar for Raiden, Shao Kahn, and most importantly, Blaze himself. As such, his universal destruction clearly takes time, and he most likely simply destroyed realms until nothing remained, similar to Sheeva’s blunt description. Blaze can destroy one or multiple realms at a time, but universal destruction explicitly takes time when everything is accounted for, and not something Dark Kahn can scale to outright. 

II: Elder Gods, the One Being, and Kamidogu

Next, there’s the matter of the One Being. Being the actual universe itself, and since the Elder Gods shattered it into the realms we know, that also leads to solidly universal scaling, right? Once again, no not really. While the act of shattering the One Being in one go would be, the issue is that they clearly didn’t do that; nor with their own powers. As the backstory goes, the One Being fed off the Elder Gods and consumed them. A war raged until only 6 Elder Gods remained, and they forged the Kamidogu to splinter the One Being into the many realms. See the issue? They did all this with the Kamidogu specifically, and even applying this to power at all is tricky if not impossible. The One Being is clearly much stronger than the Elder Gods given he consumed literally all of them, and Shinnok’s MKX ending where he resurrects the One Being had it proceed to slaughter the remaining Elder Gods without Kamidogu to protect them. Actually processing it, the Kamidogu simply acted as durability negation of sorts on the One Beings’ universal nature; splitting it up into the realms rather than destroying them because they are all it, just separated.

Once you actually analyze the One Being and Kamidogu, this makes scaling to it just not possible. While Shinnok merged all the realms into the One Being in his ending, we are shown this actively took time of absorbing more parts of the One Being and not something he could just flatout do on his own. We can also support this because Sheeva could destroy realms one by one with a powerful Kamidogu, clearly showcasing that the items merely allow altering of space on this scale. Since no other example proves Shinnok could do this all at once, it taking too much time to matter is all but ensured. This thought process about the Kamidogu is actually fully supported, due to the actions of Onaga and Titan Havik. Onaga, in one of his endings, merged all of the Kamidogu into the One Kamidogu; merging all of the realms into a singularity of himself and making the Elder Gods “helpless” to stop him. This action of merging all realms into himself is exactly what the One Being is (the original form of the universe), and he could only do it by using all the Kamidogu at once; fitting, given all of them were required to split the One Being. At this state, the Elder Gods were fully helpless to stop him, proving blatantly that nobody can scale to that state and how locked it is to Kamidogu’s control over space. Of course, the most solid proof would be what Titan Havik stated in his scheme during Khaos Reigns (we well discuss this more later for Titans). As Havik blatantly states, Kamidogu are relics that, when used together, can “remake this timeline’s reality,” and “shape the reality of other timelines.” With that confirmation, we can clearly discern that Kamidogu warp space and reality when used altogether, and the Elder Gods “killed” the One Being by splitting it up exclusively through the Kamidogu; as without it they would be blatantly killed. 

So, given the clear powers that the Kamidogu allow (their control over space and reality) that the Elder Gods used to split the One Being, as otherwise they would simply die against it, there exists no method to scale to the One Being. The only method at all would be through Kronika’s Hourglass, but this is inapplicable as well because she simply warps time at a higher level than the One Being. The only method of scaling is destroying the entire timeline, which Titans have arguments for, but that is its own facet that will be discussed hence. For this category, scaling to the One Being for anybody besides Titans doesn’t work. 

III: Kronika and Titans

Perhaps the biggest challenge here, is how strong would Titans be exactly? First, let’s go over the main plot of MK11, which is crucial to understanding how the Hourglass works. As Kronika herself states, rewriting history requires immense power and effort from the Hourglass, which would need protection while she worked. This would erase Elder Gods and everyone else; with only Kronika’s Hourglass being able to do this. Right out the gate, we see the issue: narratively and clearly, warping and rewriting timelines requires massive effort from the Hourglass alone, and the game further leans into this given how much was required for Kronika’s plans to succeed. She required Jinsei energy vials that Geras stole for Kronika explicitly as fuel for the Hourglass, and still more energy/time, along with physical defense, all the while working towards this goal the entire time the game’s story was going on. As she stated herself, Timecraft requires an abundance of raw temporal energy, with human souls/lives having a lifetime of this, which is why she needed Shang Tsung’s well of souls for a huge supply of building up power; the second largest power source on Earth for the Hourglass. In case it wasn’t evident from all of this, Kronika is clearly not all-powerful and needs energy through the Hourglass to manipulate time, with her outright stating/showing even with amps like this, her strength would still need to gather before using the Hourglass to suit her wishes. Kronika’s every action was to prepare the crown, and she could not restart history without it.

Why does all of this matter? We are clearly shown that altering the Timeline in a major way, in this case restarting the universe, requires immense amounts of power and several macguffins for this purpose. Only the Hourglass holds the power/hax to warp time, alter the future, decide destiny, etc, as the ultimate power that requires extraordinary power and skill to do so. All of this effort just to warp one timeline means, by the lore established in the game, any action that involves multiple timelines can not have taken any less if not leagues more. Heck, Kronika and Cetrion were still working on it, while the Hourglass was nearly ready even at the very end of the game, so this kind of skill and power required to affect only one timeline means affecting multiple has to be met with potent scrutiny, and that's where it all falls to pieces. Actually scaling the Titans to their Hourglass is an odd case, and something hard to judge in the first place. 

In short, nobody in the story can resist this ability to rewrite or destroy timelines because it's really not something tied to attack potency; it’s rewriting time to ensure these changes. With no positive showings against this ability, even from other Titans, let’s then see if the Titans on their own merit can destroy timelines or even how far this extends to begin with. Liu Kang crafted the universe and then the realms just like ours along with the destinies of others along with all other beings at the dawn of history. Like Kronika, he altered the Sands of Time to rewrite the Timeline how he pleased, and didn’t actually create realms with his own might. It was stated that the Hourglass is a celestial object that regulates time and destiny, and Liu Kang wielding this power crafted all of existence. Having power over all of creation to rewrite it at will is explicitly an ability of the Hourglass rather than power itself, leaving AP scaling here high and dry. 

As for other examples of destroying timelines, let’s look to Titan Shang Tsung. When he wanted to destroy the current timeline, what did he do? He aimed to destroy the Hourglass, and let its sands empty out to destroy the timeline as a byproduct, because the Sands of Time are creation itself bottled up. With the bottle empty, creation would cease to exist simply as a byproduct. MK11 also held this interpretation of the Hourglass; meaning that destroying a realm was once again related to the Sands of Time’s abilities and not the actual strength of the Titan in question. Even other things Shang Tsung wishes to do, like exterminating all life in the timeline and merging it with his own, is clearly something he needs an Hourglass for and his methodology proves it with attempting to destroy the Hourglass. Titans in general are dangerous because they wield the power of the Hourglass, rather than just having the power to destroy a timeline all by themselves. His methodology of relying on the Hourglass for this proves it, and his own examples fall apart. The only thing that could imply he held this power was that, without his holding the Timeline together, Liu Kang believed it would fall apart. For one thing, this was proven false when Havik showed up later in the Post-Credits scene while the realm was completely fine, meaning at best interpretation it would take an extended time to collapse and that Shang Tsung’s holding it together was not that impressive. If you “holding it together” means the timeline dies hours after you go vs immediately self-destructing, that means that the latter example and what would be impressive are actually holding it back from destruction. We don’t even know if Shang Tsung’s timeline was destroyed at all, and even if it was, it took far too long of a time to say that Shang Tsung held a universal level of power all at once. 

Since the Hourglass’ powers make it “more powerful” than all of the Elder Gods combined, and no other example exists of Titans being able to destroy or alter Timelines without significant energy, how does scaling even work? Well, enter MK1 Invasions, with multiple dramatic statements that could be applied to power, but are most definitely not applicable to them. For one thing, it’s clear that only Titans and the Hourglass can alter time, not one without the other. As in, a regular Titan simply doesn’t have the capability to alter a Timeline because any and every example involving something like this is always tied to the Hourglass manipulating Time, which they can’t do on their own. So, when characters have descriptions like Scorpion “burning down the entire timeline,” Johnny Cage “helping obliterate the timeline,” and Sub-Zero “freezing the entire timeline into submission,” are all things that simply cannot have the ability to do. Frankly, all of them are subject to flowery description, but even if they weren’t nothing proves they could actually destroy the timeline themselves. All of those feats are tied to the Hourglass, which they don’t have, and “freezing the timeline into submission,” is clearly not something related to actual capabilities. Add in that no variant has shown powers on this scale, and its clearly something they can’t do on their own without an Hourglass. Even something like a Geras variant threatening to consume the Timeline itself is based on devouring souls and their relation to the Sands of Time, and something that would take an extended amount of time given the context. 

With so many examples of altering timelines on their own fraudulent, this then pokes all sorts of holes into actually scaling to all timelines. Shao Kahn could merge billions of timelines into a singularity in his MK11 ending, but we have no timeframe and the game explicitly shows the Hourglass needed hordes of power to affect just one Timeline. Affecting so many normally is simply not something the Hourglass can do with what we are shown. Titan Sub-Zero is hyped up as a threat to all timelines where you must “save all timelines from obliteration” when that is clearly not what he’s doing. He is mentioned as someone who traverses timelines and kills anyone from any timeline that stands in his way, freezing areas like cities in his path. He is clearly meant to be a threat to all timelines in the sense that he simply would kill people in the Timeline, and not destroy it altogether when nothing in his intro suggests he could and given the problems with Kronika’s energy consumption requirements. His mere act of traveling to Timelines and doing this supports that notion, where he threatens the inhabitants of a Timeline but never the Timeline itself without an Hourglass. He is a threat to all timelines in the same way Shang Tsung’s schemes are, but that does not prove he could destroy them all given context and all other examples falling short. Thus, the only examples of clearly affecting all timelines altogether lies in Liu Kang vs Shang Tsung, Titan Raiden and Titan Havik, and both examples are inapplicable to the characters in question. 

Starting with Liu Kang and Shang Tsung’s fight, this flatout was not a feat of power. When they shattered time, all they did was create alternate realities from alternate possibility. Where before the only possibility was Kronika’s choices, now there were multiple based on possibility and outcome. They didn’t choose to do this, and they actually did not at all because the clash for Kronika’s Hourglass, where in each timeline someone else could get the Hourglass, was not something they enacted. It was simply the interaction with the Hourglass doing this and opening a multiverse through something akin to MCU time travel rather than literally creating infinite timelines with their raw power, because nothing supports that. Take Raiden for example; his method of “destroying all timelines” is something he was not doing purposely but instead a chain reaction. As Liu Kang puts it, he wishes to create a barrier to protect all timelines by merging the Jinsei (life-energy of each Earthrealm), but this act will unintentionally cause an explosion to destroy all realms by chain reaction; NOT him gaining the power to do it all himself. This is further disrupted when the way he was defeated was that several Raiden’s simply disrupted his connection with the Jinsei before he could succeed. Thus, he would not scale to that destruction himself, and neither would anybody else even then because they defeated him through removing his power source. With all of that gone, we finally have the example of Havik and his plan to infuse all realms with Chaos, which is yet again something not applicable to anybody. 

Moving into that Remember the Kamidogu? They remake the reality of a single timeline when used together, and are where all of this comes from. He can’t achieve it on his own, and requires Geras’ Time Crystals. Why? Because his Kamidogu can only affect other Timelines when infused with their Time Crystals, which he can’t get… ever. There are far too many timelines to ever hope of doing at once. Fortunately for him, he had Geras, who has lived in all prior timelines and thus his Time Crystals hold the building blocks for all current timelines. When his Kamidogu are infused with them, he will have the power to remake all timelines however he sees fit. This seems like something you could apply to power, but remember, Kamidogu are items that warp space and reality to do things the user on their own simply can not do. The Elder Gods used them to splinter the One Being, despite being far weaker on their own. It’s more accurately simply reality warping, so applying them to the character’s AP is already a stretch, but he could only affect these other realities through a chain reaction to begin with. 

By using Geras’ Time Crystals, which automatically apply to all timelines in terms of range and allowing the ability to work on them, he wasn’t attacking all timelines at once so much as activating his powers like he would on one timeline but affecting them all as a result of Geras’ nature. The actual spell also simply had him blast the Kamidogu into a portal made by Geras to affect all timelines by nature of the process of using Time Crystals, as he explicitly could not without it. Projecting his Chaos into all realms at once was only something he could do due to how the Kamidogu and Time Crystals interacted, and wasn’t something you can really tie to power. Even if you could, nobody would scale. While Noob Saibot did beat Titan Havik when he had infused the Kamidogu into himself, they never actually amplified his physical power. Note the lack of glow in them, which was always present when they were being used like in blasts. Clearly, he is simply housing them in his body, and nothing ever indicated they amplified his own power when he wasn’t using them. With the last piece something once again inapplicable to power that Noob wouldn’t scale to even then because of how the abilities work, multi MK falls through once again. 

Lastly, we have to discuss speed, since infinite speed Mortal Kombat is also argued as well. Most of it comes from affecting the entire cosmology, but as we saw, nobody really did that. Liu Kang and Shang Tsung as well as the Hourglass splitting into alternate timelines were merely choices and alternate possibilities, not actually creating timelines with power or speed. Havik could only affect all realms by attacking their building blocks through Geras, and fully lacked the range to do so without them as frequently established. Raiden’s explosion that would have destroyed reality was a chain reaction, and something nobody scales to even then. Aside from them, no other logical example exists. Nitara threatened to enslave all beings and liberate all timelines, but her entire history was shown doing this to any timeline she came across. That is not at all equivalent to actually finishing, because she doesn’t affect them all at once or at all; only traveling and doing so. Shang Tsung could roam infinite timelines, but this is also clearly just granting him the ability to literally roam through these infinite timelines; not move past them all at once. Roaming through the universe or the multiverse means nothing if you don’t have a beginning or a destination, as well as actually reaching that destination, which neither of these two ever did. Since altering universes or timelines are done via methods nobody scales to without context screwing it over (One Being, Kamidogu, Hourglass), nobody can reliably scale to infinite. 

The maximum you can attribute to a Titan is potentially universal based on Havik merging timelines in a short time, but this is also done through Kamidogu and not something he can really compare to. In conclusion, all arguments higher than universal for Mortal Kombat are simply not viable. Characters can’t scale to the Elder Gods or One Being, due to the Kamidogu being hax that was the only reason they won. Blaze is impressive but his universal destruction took time, and everything leans into his being able to do so realm by realm, such as Sheeva. No Titan can destroy timelines on their own without the Hourglass, and only arguments of scaling to it directly could be attributed universal. Anything beyond that disregards the massive narrative energy to affect only one timeline, and not multiple, with any example of involving multiple timelines being unusable and especially unscalable to Dark Kahn. At maximum, Mortal Kombat Titans can hit Universal+, but they would not scale to infinite speed because such an example does not exist. Dark Kahn does not scale to Titans or Elder Gods or the One Being, and even if he could to Titans through methods like Noob Saibot (which also ignores Shao Kahn’s clear and severe loss to Crown Shang Tsung not yet a Titan), it would not land beyond universal at best. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk, or rather Kombat Konversation.

Immeasurable Injustice?

There’s quite a few feats for the Injustice universe which can imply characters are capable of immeasurable speeds, which we’ll discuss here. As you might expect, the main source of this argument would be this universe’s version of the Flash, who is notably able to drag opponents through time with his super move in the second game. While you might write it off as a gameplay only thing, this is a fairly consistent element throughout Injustice lore, such as his arcade ending having him drop Brainiac off at the end of time, and how in the comics Batman noted he could use time travel to prevent Joker’s bomb from going off. Additionally, the device that brought alternate DC Heroes to the Injustice world in the first game to begin with was powered by siphoned off energy from the Speed Force. So, it is fairly consistent to say he’s capable of time travel and extradimensional travel. But does that mean he’s running at immeasurable speeds? In context, not really. 

While people can scale to Barry in a few ways, like Superman racing him around the world or keeping up with him in other facets, or various other characters such as Aquaman, Hermes, and Wonder Woman, this doesn’t mean they’d scale to time travel or any proposed speed of that nature.  Injustice 1 explicitly notes that time travel is an ability of his (alongside interdimensional travel), implying this is simply an extension of the Speed-Force rather than him moving fast enough to time travel. Batman also notes he is “the only” person who can do this, and has to siphon his energy in order to travel between dimensions, supporting it being an ability relevant to the Speed-Force itself rather than raw immeasurable speed. 

This is the same case with Barry’s nemesis Reverse Flash, who others like Barry and Diana can keep up with, and who can similarly time travel. While we don’t really have any elaboration on how his powers might work, there’s not much reason to assume he has pure immeasurable speed rather than it being a granted ability like Barry. Another potential case of this is from Doctor Fate sending Harley and Joker back through space-time to their own universe, but this was likely teleportation/dimensional travel then directly hurling them at immeasurable speed, given they just plopped out through a portal after traveling through some flashbacks for a moment. Good showcases of abilities, but nothing proving immeasurable. 

The Orb of Power

A major macguffin from the Masters of the Universe series which also plays a major role in both of He-Man’s crossover comics is the Orb of Power. In these stories, this artifact is established to contain the power which created the multiverse, and having control of it would grant those who wield it control over all of them. Several characters end up getting their hands on it throughout these events, but unfortunately there isn’t really a solid way to scale anyone’s base to the full power of it. In the original Thundercats comic, the entire final fight is all about He-Man and Lion-O attempting to keep Mumm-Ator from actually unlocking it, as the Power Sword is how you unseal the orb’s multiversal power. While Mumm-Ator does get his hands on it near the end of the fight, the heroes stop him from actually unleashing its power before he can do it by knocking it out of his hands, and promptly defeat the merged villain with him not getting the amp. 

Meanwhile, in the Injustice crossover, it’s similarly impossible to argue anyone should scale. The main potential point of argument would be He-Man defeating Superman after he took control of it with the power of Shazam. Darkseid had previously bested Skeletor who was using this same power, so could you use it to argue he scales? Well, no. Beyond the story inconsistencies this would bring, given Darkseid was directly defeated by the use of the orb, which clearly indicates he’s not as strong as it, to argue this would also be to ignore how, as he’s defeating Superman, He-Man directly notes the Orb is enhancing the power of Shazam. So that means there’s no reason to argue that anyone scales to the orb. 

Jon Kent Scaling?

While the Injustice timeline is normally isolated from the rest of the DC multiverse, there is one particular instance where it did in fact crossover with the other worlds of the Orrery. In the pages of Adventures of Superman: Jon Kent, the son of the main Superman of Earth 0 was sent to the Injustice timeline during a battle with Ultraman, which ends with Injustice Superman arriving and killing Ultraman and snapping his neck. As this comic clearly happens to be set before the events of the first game and Superman here isn’t amped or has any reason to be stronger than he normally is, that means he should scale to Ultraman and Jon, right?

Well flatly, no. In the same storyline, it’s made clear that Jon at his best is stronger than Injustice’s Superman. Clark even admits it himself, and Jon at his full potential stomps the entirety of the Regime after he recharges in the sun. While he does state twice that Wonder Woman and Superman were the two he really needed to go all out to beat, when he does fight Diana it’s a total wash in Jon’s favor while he doesn’t fight Clark at all. And while Injustice Clark did snap Ultraman’s neck, it was only after Ultraman took on a full power punch that drained Jon of all his energy and left both of them on the ground injured and exhausted. So essentially, Injustice Clark only killed an injured and drained Ultraman and doesn’t compare at all to Jon Kent.

Verdicts

Ultron Sigma

Stats

When looking over the various ends these merged monstrosities can scale to, there should be no question that Ultron Sigma is superior. We’ll be looking at it in specific rounds, for better showcasing the disparity and how all cases favor Ultron Sigma.

Round 1: Base games only (Marvel VS Capcom Infinite VS Mortal Kombat VS DC Universe)

Starting, we’ll cover everything they did in their game only. In that realm, Ultron Sigma is consistently much more powerful. Neither game has much in the way of stats directly, but the best feat on both sides is easily their merger of the universes. As we discussed Before the Verdicts (feel free to look there for more information), Ultron Sigma blatantly has the superior example of fusion in power and range. He explicitly fused the entire universes down to the timestream level, which includes other sub-dimensions such as the Dark Kingdom (merger of two other dimensions). At minimum, without cosmology coming into play, this places him at 2 times universal. Dark Kahn however never actually fully merged the two universes. The entire game has him attempt to do so after outright failing with his powers; continually working on it while the fighters power him up with stockpiled Rage. Grinding two universes together like he was trying to do would eventually tear them both apart, but the plot is clearly showing us that Dark Kahn was incapable of this power initially. If not stopped, he could eventually grow to this power, but he required extensive Rage from outside parties to achieve it. Generally speaking, Ultron Sigma’s fusion is just better, since he did this with ease mere moments after becoming who he is in a perfect fusion, while Dark Kahn had to power up ludicrously beyond his limits to do this, while never succeeding. At absolute best, he’d be similar to Ultron Sigma, but more times than not he would simply be weaker off of sheer performance. 

Speed however is not nearly as complicated. Both of them are superior or comparable to notable speedsters, with Flash being able to run near the speed of light while Nova can move faster than the speed of light. That is a rather clear-cut disparity, where Ultron Sigma would be undeniably faster. With matching strength ends requiring much less effort on Ultron Sigma’s end and a certifiable speed edge when scaling to Nova, Ultron Sigma would round out stats in base games. 

Round 2: Series Entries Included (Marvel VS Capcom VS Mortal Kombat)

Now, let’s look to their extended series for all that juicy scaling it entails. Starting with the low-tier feats from weaker or middle-ground characters, Ultron Sigma holds a tangible edge. While MK lower tiers hold several kiloton to megaton feats like Rain or Tremor, maxing at Sub-Zero creating ice storms at 3.9 Megatons of TNT, several MVC characters have mountain crushing/destroying statements at 100 megatons (Hulk, Iron Fist, Cyclops) with similar power levels like Storm creating hurricanes or Magneto igniting volcanoes at 24 Megatons. Magneto’s example alone is already over 6 times stronger than Sub-Zero, while the mountain examples reach a level 25 times stronger. Covering higher examples, Raiden reportedly shook the earth while fighting Shinnok at 1.06 Teratons of TNT, but Zangief made an explosion visible from orbit at 121.102 Teratons; over 100 times stronger. 

This sort of thing continues the more you delve into their finite ends. The maximum feat applicable to Dark Kahn besides realm mergers would be Liu Kang’s Black Hole at 11 Yottatons of TNT, or planet busting showings from someone like Blaze/Moloch. Note that Titan scaling is something we do not agree on, but we’ll give it in a sense for the benefit of the doubt. Throwing in comparison to Elder Gods, Cetrion’s growing as large as a planet lands 37.72 Yottatons of TNT, but even that isn’t enough. Characters like Phoenix that Ultron Sigma would upscale from have similarly been stated to destroy planets, and others he would scale to like Galactus have done the same several times before, such as the Skrull Homeworld. Even his showing in his arcade ending reaches a monstrous 1-3 Quettatons, which is over 27 thousand times stronger. The farther up you go, it always results in a clear advantage for Ultron Sigma with much less flaws or counters. For example, Dark Kahn could debatably scale to various higher beings in the series (Elder Gods, One Being, Kronika), but none of them can really save him.

Following that notion granted but not realistic scaling, one of the most impressive feats comes from Shao Kahn merging realms. Earthrealm for example is explicitly not the universe, but clearly covers more than Earth, such as Mars or the Solar System. While Ed Boon stated there is no physical limit to Earthrealm, his wording clearly means there is a mystical or some other kind of limit, as Earthrealm being its own entire dimension or infinite space simply doesn’t line up with the game’s story. Reasonably, the space he merged would be around Solar System, and no other example really exists to get him higher at a baseline level. Blaze’s universal destruction took plenty of time, as did any other example from characters using his power. The Elder Gods were dwarfed by the One Being’s power and only won through splintering it with Kamidogu and their own hax, and even Titans make no sense to scale to Dark Kahn. One half of him explicitly massively lost to such a Titan like Shang Tsung even before being fully powered up, let alone all the other inconsistencies in actually scaling every character to the peak of the verse because Titans exist in alternate timelines wholly unlike our own. Nothing in MK1 besides potentially Noob Saibot’s victory against Titan Havik supports it at all, and thus Dark Kahn’s arguments for scaling to them are simply not viable. Even if he was to scale, it really wouldn’t lend him much. 

Every example of Titans having the physical capability to destroy a timeline is mixed at best, but no matter what you stand on in that sense, all it would land is a level of universal power. Arguing scaling to feats involving multiple timelines (Dark Raiden, Fire God Liu Kang vs Titan Shang Tsung, Titan Havik) all do not work when looking at the context. Dark Raiden would only destroy all realms in a chain reaction from multiple Jinseis that he could not control and didn’t even plan for, while his defeat lay in being drained of his power by the magic of multiple Raidens. Liu Kang vs Shang Tsung didn’t create all the other timelines as a power feat but rather due to messing with time; merely forming other outcomes based on differing situations in a traditional multiverse. Nothing supports them outright creating a multiverse rather than warping time and this being the result, so they don’t scale either. Titan Havik could only affect all timelines through a reality warping device in the Kamidogu that was instinctively infused with the tools to hit all of them at once, on a weapon that already warps space and time. Even if it was applicable to power, he was not using it in his fight with Noob Saibot, so nobody would scale even then. 

After all the other examples of hyperbole or flowery language, like Sub-Zero “obliterating all timelines” or “freezing the timeline into submission” are gone, this at best leaves Dark Kahn with the high-end potential to affect two universes at once from Titan Havik merging timelines (even though this was from the Kamidogu and thus not applicable to him) or regularly just affecting one universe (timeline shenanigans, One Being high-ends, etc). Unfortunately for him, Ultron Sigma’s first feat merged two universes without much trouble, so at worst he would be at equal strength. As for realm merging, he would upscale Phoenix having the power to destroy a galaxy, which is much more impressive then merging realms. Even delving into cosmology arguments to grant MK an infinite universe through comparison to Heaven and Netherrealm (both of which are afterlife planes unequal to the mortal realms) or extrapolating Ed Boon’s “no physical limit” statement, Ultron Sigma still outscales it. Multiple facets about the game implies the MVC universe is infinite, while the official description of the prologue comic stated he created an “infinite horizon” by fusing the universes. That is fairly blunt, and given all the other examples of this, there’s no reason why it would be excluded, especially given the reasoning for MK having an infinite universe is the same logic if not a bit weaker. To support this, we can bring up Ultron Sigma explicitly merging the timestreams of both realities, which, in context with the game and prologue comic, can be argued to make this feat 4D due to explicitly merging the timestreams as well. That far and away outmatches any power argument you can make for Dark Kahn no matter how high you scale him, and all of this is granting him the benefit of the doubt in questionable scaling vs something Ultron Sigma did himself frame 1 after getting the Infinity Stones. 

Now that power is cleared, let’s move to speed. Neither universe has many impressive speed feats for how cosmic they get, but no matter what end you buy, Ultron Sigma would still be much faster. While both have feats of dodging bullets, lightning, and other relativistic feats, the greatest feats are in dodging or moving in tandem with lightspeed projectiles (characters can react to Kotal Kahn’s light and Magneto’s EM attacks). While the feats in question are generally from speedster characters (Kabal and Wesker) there is still a clear disparity that trickles back to other characters. Kabal’s example rounds out at a respectable 73% Lightspeed… but even someone like Taskmaster can parry the EM Disruptor at 68% Lightspeed, and he notably has no physical superhuman powers while Kabal is a speedster character. Bringing Wesker in makes it all the worse, since his fastest interaction with the EM Disruptor reaches 2.72 times faster than light, and nearly 4 times faster than Kabal. Obviously both characters upscale their values, but Ultron Sigma’s are still simply faster, whether by matching Kabal with a non-speedster or by exceeding him 4 times over with one. Even at infinite arguments, Ultron Sigma can merge and affect infinite spaces with much less scrutiny (either infinite universe or 4D arguments), while all of the arguments for Dark Kahn replicating this rely on scaling to Titans (which he doesn’t) putting those Titans as Cosmology wipers (they aren’t) and taking incorrect examples of arguments from Nitara or Shang Tsung. 

Once more, Ultron Sigma matches or exceeds in power with much less scrutiny, and always has a good speed advantage with greater validity.

Round 3: Soft Composite (Marvel and Capcom original media vs Injustice)

Now, let’s discuss the more tenuous side in a soft-composite. We have deemed Injustice and Marvel/Capcom original media usable under the standards of our blog, and one can not be used without the other. All evidence indicating MK crossed over with DC is regulated to non-canon DLC and references, whereas the Marvel/Capcom media used is what is explicitly brought up or their baser games like Devil May Cry mentioning Mundus several times. All of this can be more elaborated upon in the MVC and MK Canon BTVs, since this decision undoubtedly will annoy a few people. Rest assured, this is not the end-all be-all of the debate, and more an extra round should you argue they be included. 

Giving Injustice to Dark Kahn really doesn’t lend him much that he didn’t already have, but it lends Ultron Sigma many more counterarguments. For cosmic feats, there’s things like cratering the moon, destroying poles, or Zod impacting the moon at over 7 Yottatons of TNT. None of that matches already established feats like Galactus destroying planets, and even higher arguments like universal off of Imperiex are countered by Ultron Sigma’s pre-existing scaling of merging universes. Even arguing Enchantress could conquer or threaten 52 Dimensions, Shuma-Gorath has similar arguments for 100 dimensions, and his own examples of destroying planets/stars counter similar arguments from people like Firestorm. Even worse on the power side is the various finite or infinite edges it gives Ultron Sigma, through the various series applicable in cross-scaling. Viewtiful Joe lends more Quettaton support, Darkstalkers lends star scaling through Pyron, and further cosmic feats through something like Devil May Cry and the universe Mundus creates. Even Amaterasu’s example of spinning a galaxy is clearly much more powerful than merging realms, and further aids the finite stat advantage in Ultron Sigma’s favor. On infinite edges, this doesn’t favor Dark Kahn either given he could only tenuously scale to universal through Imperiex, and not benefit from higher scaling in other Injustice crossovers like He-Man through something like the Orb of Power as Cape explained. On the opposite end, Ultron Sigma could compare to Galactus literally merging with the sentience of the universe, as well as Hulk shaking the infinitely sized Crossroads dimension. All roads in this soft-comp clearly favor Ultron Sigma, and he would still retain his strength edge. 

As for speed, it is a similar case. Finite travel feats for both include Injustice Guy Gardener moving 1,988,507 × FTL, while Nova (a Herald of Galactus) has moved 31,564,979 × FTL, which presents a near 16 times gap in favor of Ultron Sigma. Arguing scaling to Zodac flying  203 - 815 Trillion x FTL would outpace Amaterasu’s 69 Trillion x FTL Galaxy spin, but then there’s the matter of Mundus space creation which would reach 587 Quadrillion x FTL, and nearly 3,000 times faster overall. Even without it, he would still compare to infinite speed feats like Hulk shaking the infinitely sized Crossroads dimension or his pre-existing arguments, and supremely outpace however fast you argue Dark Kahn. All examples of time travel or similar speed arguments for Injustice are related to abilities instead of raw speed, so none benefit Dark Kahn. 

So, rounding everything out, stats always favor Ultron Sigma, to a slight or massive degree, across all ways you wish to fairly consider the match. He consistently has greater finite ends, matches and surpasses infinite ends for cosmology, outspeeds in finite values and has greater validity in his infinite arguments, and all the while his arguments simply require much less stretching or inconsistency to validate. Ultron Sigma takes the edge in stats. 

Arsenal & Abilities

After establishing the stat disparity, let us turn to abilities to see if they can alter things in Dark Kahn’s favor. Unfortunately for him, they cannot. 

Starting with Ultron Sigma, his best tools are the Reality and Space Stones. These items have several powers, like how Reality can launch energy homing attacks, wield several elemental blasts up to freezing you in place, using invisibility, or just plain altering reality on a universal scale. The Space Stone pulls opponents closer, traps you in a box that you can’t really move in or break out of while he wails on you (that you can’t teleport out of either), as well as making super-armor to block attacks or warping space on a universal scale. Besides that, he’s got plenty of other tools, like his Energy Sword, various blasters and beams, meteors he can rain down on the battlefield, flight, teleportation, and more! Sigma can pull you into Cyberspace for a weird cyber/mental attack that does physical damage, while Ultron Sigma’s Neuro-Inhibitor cancels powers to restrain beings even as mighty as Thanos, provided he can place it on him. Ultron Omega is a massive monster with various blasts and physical attacks, passive healing while blocking, and uses the Stones for an effective one-hit kill once landed. Even at his base, he has an army of Ultron Drones that he used to take down the city of Xgard, and of course, the Sigma Virus. This ability turns you into a technological slave of Ultron Sigma, which he can distribute at a distance or up close to corrupt you in seconds. Nothing can reverse it, even the soul-manipulating powers of Dr. Strange, and the freaking Soul Stone was required to break out of it. Too bad Ultron Sigma has no soul, otherwise he could use it himself, huh?

For Dark Kahn, he wields the classic Wrath Hammer which he can teleport to his side and briefly stun people with. In terms of abilities, Dark Kahn uses Rage, which doubles attack power while removing health from himself as a side effect, which can also manipulate emotions. He can launch meteor blasts, make shield-reflecting projectiles, and similarly block or reflect projectiles on his own. Darkseid briefly wielded the aptly named Soul Siphon, and has several parademons that follow him and can fly, charge, or explode on contact for all of his enemies. Additionally, he can also fire the Omega Beams for hard to dodge blasts that follow you, as well as teleport in combat through his Boom-Tubes. Shao Kahn himself has a bunch of powers, like manipulating souls, using telekinesis, pseudo-immortality that ensures he can survive wounds like impalement briefly, blood manipulation, merging realms, making portals, and taunting to decrease damage enemies deal or increase damage they take. Finally, Dark Kahn unintentionally blasted several beings out of existence with his Rage in the Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe prologue. 

Looking at them together, while Dark Kahn is certainly formidable, he is most definitely outclassed when looking at everything. While both have ranged abilities like meteors and blasts, Ultron Sigma has way more with all the beams, blasts, and more he or even both Ultron and Sigma share individually. Omega Beams home in on you, but Ultron Sigma’s blasts with the Reality Stone do the same thing, and the Space Stone can just yank Dark Kahn closer at any point. Both can teleport to dodge these moves anyway, through ability or Boom Tube respectively, but Shao Kahn’s portals aren’t nearly as versatile in combat, and Dark Kahn hasn’t even used either ability to begin with, so it benefits Ultron Sigma far more. Ultron Sigma’s Sword can clash with the Wrath Hammer, and Dark Kahn hitting him with said hammer given his flight, teleportation, or ranged superiority makes stunning him for a time extremely difficult. Even Dark Kahn reflecting projectiles via shield or ability is nothing Ultron Sigma can’t dodge through his mobility, and he has several more tools to mitigate that problem

Aside from those factors, the majority of Dark Kahn’s abilities (potential or actual) are simply moot. Being blunt, all of the ones Shao Kahn has displayed is something Dark Kahn has never been shown to use, whereas something like Final Sigma is not nearly as important to the debate as that if you wanted to apply it to Ultron Sigma as well. Being a machine that lacks flesh or even a soul, Ultron Sigma is fully immune to any soul manipulation from Shao Kahn or Darkseid’s non-standard Siphon, as well as any blood tricks Kahn could pull which he hasn’t used. Realm merging is simply an inferior version of Ultron Sigma’s universe merge he did immediately with no power build-up, and not something that matters in combat either way. Taunting is something Dark Kahn hasn’t shown either, and given Ultron Sigma’s superior stats anyway, he wouldn’t have any issue dealing with this. Even including the potential stat buffs through that and Rage, Ultron Sigma matches and surpasses it with his Ultron Omega form, which also grants him passive healing while blocking (and not being subject to draining his own health like Dark Kahn does with Rage), massive AOE with arms and blasts, a far greater power boost by Light’s admission, and a super-charged attack from both Stones that one-shots pretty much any opponent. Speaking of healing, while Shao Kahn is pretty tenacious and could potentially fight through impalement, Raiden’s example of returning took an explicit vast timeframe that wouldn’t apply to this battle at all. Dark Kahn also legitimately died when separated and couldn’t pull himself back together, leaving a depowered pair of both parties. Even after that, if you wanted to argue Shao Kahn could tether his spirit or something, not only is this an inconsistent trait that he failed to employ in numerous alternate and canon timelines where he died to other fighters, but Dark Kahn obviously didn’t do that upon his canon death, and even then Ultron Sigma is a machine with no spirit to tether to, so this will not be a relevant factor

Of course, Rage is somewhat of a problem, but nothing Ultron Sigma can’t overcome. In combat, all it really does is boost power, siphon it a tad to Dark Kahn, and warp your emotions. It even working on Ultron Sigma at all is curious due to him being a machine when it warps emotions, but even under the benefit of the doubt, Superman and Raiden actively killed Dark Kahn when under the debilitating effects of his own powers, so there’s no reason Ultron Sigma couldn’t do the same given his greater stats and powers. Even after that, Ultron Sigma still holds the advantage on a grander scale. He can freeze him in place with the Reality Stone’s elemental damage, or literally freeze him in place with the Space Stone’s box trap, which prevents teleportation out even from interdimensional teleporters like Strange and Dante, so Dark Kahn can’t escape through portals or Boom Tubes. Other abilities the Stones have showcased like invisibility or super-armor are also useful, albeit you could argue Ultron Sigma wouldn’t think to use them, if at all. Dark Kahn could potentially use telekinesis on Ultron Sigma to hold him in place or damage him, but Ultron Sigma could then rain down projectiles on him while his magic is focused on restraining him, or simply teleport away. 

Now, we still have to discuss the possibility of Dark Kahn using existence erasure on Ultron Sigma, of which the chance he will is entirely inapplicable. The context of his using it was getting hurt through failing to merge the universes initially, and letting loose his Rage accidentally, which removes certain beings from existence to explain where someone like Robin was during all this, while also teleporting people to the other universes like Kano to DC. I should not have to explain the issue in this, but it is clear this was an accident and not something he aimed to do. Even aside from that, he never once tried to replicate it in the story even when Superman and Raiden actively killed him while negatively afflicted from his own powers. He has genuinely never intentionally used this ability, in a fight or otherwise, and all it is, is an excuse by the writers for why the roster isn’t bigger in the game. So, this ability that could turn things a bit in his favor is simply not applicable. Even if it was, Ultron Sigma has a win-condition just as potent that he already uses repeatedly, the Sigma Virus. 

This potent power fully corrupts you into a slave of Ultron Sigma; forced to follow his commands as a mindless slave of his. Dark Kahn has no method to resist this, as all attacks on the soul in Mortal Kombat that Shao Kahn could resist are simply not comparable to the Sigma Virus, nor do they make him able to resist full corruption like it. It is irreversible even to sorcerers as skilled as Dr. Strange who can full well manipulate souls, and was only countered by the Soul Stone, which is far more potent than anything Shao Kahn has done in his realm. Dark Kahn obviously has no counter to it, nor can he escape it should things come down to it. Ultron Sigma can distribute it through touch or ranged attacks, with it taking just a few seconds to work. While in some cases it takes hours, this was only through exposure like any other virus, and not being exposed directly until you are made his, like the Xgard soldiers were. The second Dark Kahn is struck by this, his chances of victory are all but destroyed, and he can not reliably escape. Not only can Ultron Sigma match his teleportation, but trap him in place where he can’t teleport out through the Space Stone or pull him closer anyway. The absurd range he lands with the Stones; affecting two separate universes and merging them at will, also furthers this, as does Ultron Sigma’s consistent speed advantage. Arguing he won’t use it as consistently as something Dark Kahn never used intentionally or in combat is also rather odd, when Ultron Sigma is consistently and consecutively noted to literally be obsessed with turning all that there is into himself and infecting all organic life with the Sigma Virus. It is most evidently the better win-condition in effect, consistency, and character’s willingness to use it. 

Even if you wanted to fall back on existence erasure arguments, Ultron Sigma can easily dodge these blasts with teleportation and again, he is both faster (which furthers his chances of dodging) and more likely to use his win-condition in that he actually uses it in-canon and in fights. Under this standard applied to Dark Kahn, he could just as easily grab his Neuro Inhibitor and slap it on Dark Kahn to shut off all his powers at will, or perhaps warp reality/space at will to rewrite the universe and dust him out of existence. Sure, he has never done these things and clearly doesn’t fight like that, but arguing for existence erasure is proposing the same OOC scenario Dark Kahn is being argued to have. On top of all of this, he has a veritable army of Ultron Drones on his hands to further place Dark Kahn on the backfoot, when all he has brung are a few parademons with individual powers like flight or causing explosions that the drones already have. Given he took over a literal city of Godly warriors with them, their success rate is also far superior. His powers and win-conditions are always greater, more in-character, and more achievable given his higher stats. 

Ultron Sigma solidly takes abilities, despite some strife here and there. 

Tertiary Factors

Finally, let’s look over their tertiary factors. For experience and skill, this somewhat ties but goes to Ultron Sigma. Granted, Darkseid and Shao Kahn are master martial artists who have been conquering worlds for who knows how long to even thousands of years, but Ultron and Sigma are similar conquerors. Worse, as Ultron Sigma, he clearly has much more experience and competence as a threat than Dark Kahn does. Dark Kahn’s conquest and wrathful campaign lasted an unconfirmed but short amount of time, while Ultron Sigma successfully took over Xgard for multiple months. This includes beating similar martial artists, and similar millennia-old fighters like Thor. By experience, he has beaten people just as skilled and experienced as Dark Kahn despite lacking training, while also being the better fusion in success of conquests when looking side by side. 

Intelligence is also something clearly in Ultron Sigma’s favor, given his manipulating Thanos to become the merged machination that he is and successfully beating the heroes for several months. Both are pretty arrogant, but Ultron Sigma has much less examples of this in comparison without something like the Soul Stone coming into play, and hasn’t suffered nearly as many faults as Dark Kahn has. His success rate in general is also clearly much better, due to beating all of the heroes by himself, taking over Xgard, invading several other areas, and much more over 3 months straight, while Dark Kahn got destroyed by two powerful fighters under the negative effects of his own powers in his only actual fight. He sat back to manipulate events in his favor, but when it came to proving himself, he fell short without a shadow of a doubt. 

Dark Kahn may be more experienced and skilled from the sides of his fusion, but Ultron Sigma has easily defeated foes just like that before, and is much more intelligent as well as successful in his plans. This category goes to Ultron Sigma. 

Conclusion

Ultron Sigma

“Imbecile! We are invincible!”

Advantages: 

• Consistently stronger and faster; matching and surpassing any argument made for Dark Kahn

• More versatile, and counters all of Dark Kahn’s hax (homing attacks, teleportation, one-shot methods, freezing you in place) while having advantages Dark Kahn can’t replicate among flat out superior versions of his powers (merging realms vs merging universes)

• One-shots with the Sigma Virus (which is leagues more viable than existence erasure as a win-condition that he can escape anyway), which Dark Kahn can’t counter nor avoid due to moves that pull him to Ultron Sigma or trap him in place

• Greater combat at long-range and has much better AOE

• Greater army of more versatile powers

• Superior mobility and battlefield control with teleportation, flight, ranged attacks, homing attacks, his soldiers, and more

• Resists Shao’s soul manipulation via not having a soul

• Has defeated opponents just as skilled and experienced

• Much more successful and competent as a fusion, in fights and conquest

• Has Sigma in his name

• Was the only good part of MVCI…

Disadvantages:

• Existence erasure could work assuming you allowed it

• Not as skilled or experienced overall in base forms

• Some of Dark Kahn’s powers (projectile reflection and Rage) could prove difficult to get past

• …But is from MVCI regardless (Riley, BrokeinLimit: Hey! We enjoyed the game)

• Killed their own series 

• They literally tried to kill each other on the show

• At least the episode was peak…

• Fav VS mu though!! (door)

• Yessir (Stationsearcher)

• fire ost bro (Elemental)

• Infinity Ultron is cooler tho (TheCardinalKing)

To round things out, Ultron Sigma is simply the more reliable and logical winner. His consistent matching and surpassing in stats, like speed, already leave him quite well off. Fueling his advantages are his superior arsenal, with several counters to all of Dark Kahn’s powers. He wields superior mobility in teleportation and flight without portals or Boom Tubes, and his various ranged attacks stacked onto that give him far better methods for striking Dark Kahn. Speaking of, the combined Kombatant has a few deadly powers, like reflecting projectiles, but Ultron Sigma can work around it and just as easily freeze or lock him in place with the Space Stone. He can similarly launch homing attacks, swamp him with his massive army, and resist any of Shao Kahn’s offensive hax due to his robotic nature not wielding a soul. 

Existence erasure is simply not something Dark Kahn has used in combat or intentionally at all, and Ultron Sigma has plenty of counters even then. Even so, Dark Kahn has no counter to the Sigma Virus, which works in seconds and can be applied up-close or from a distance with no way to counter it. With so much in his favor and all of Dark Kahn’s arguments for superior stats or matching powers unreliable, it is only a matter of time before Ultron Sigma wears down this more experienced and skilled being with superior intelligence, examples of beating similar people before like Thor, and his plain greater nature as a fusion much more successful in his work. It wasn’t long before Dark Kahn was A-sigmal-ated, but at the risk of sounding cliche, it seems rather fitting that he would go out with a big bang. 

The winner… is Ultron Sigma.

Dark Kahn

Stats

In terms of stats, Ultron Sigma and Dark Kahn have a variety of arguments you could use, and a lot of disagreements on the material that should be used for them. As a result of this, we’ll be going through them each with leniency, talking about the arguments for each being usable for the characters in question, and then how their stats compare with the ends being used in mind.

Marvel vs. Capcom Infinite vs. Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe

The first and most obvious point should be their home games; after all, these are their source material and what should be the primary source material overall. The plots of both games revolve around the characters in question merging their universes together. This is seen in game for Ultron Sigma and within the prequel comic for MK vs DC for Dark Kahn. In terms of this power scaling to their physical strength, the Infinity Stones can be used in gameplay to amplify your power, and Dark Kahn says the merger is causing him physical pain to do within the comic, making it rather clear-cut that it should scale to their AP. However, in terms of scaling to speed, it’s rather unlikely. Both do their merging via reality warping methods which are unable to be scaled to their physical speed.

However, you may ask, doesn’t the visual in the comic show planets? Yes, but this is a place stated to be outside of normal realities, and consistently within DC, worlds are shown in the multiverse as Earths, meaning this represents the physical universes merging. If this was just the physical earths merging, it also wouldn’t explain how Outworld and Apokolips merged, as they are outside the “earths” of MK and DC even as shown in this game. The panels also like, literally have Dark Kahn call them universes and that he’s trying to “take what’s his”. Arguing this is two planets is completely missing the context of the comic and the game, and is an egregious lowball.

Overall, you can scale both to merging different realities, which would land Dark Kahn at 2 to 4x universal, depending on how you view Outworld and Apokolips, and Ultron Sigma at 2 to 4x universal, depending on how you feel about the other realities in MvC:I. Fairly close in power. If you wished, you could argue the mergers of the universes are affecting the timelines as well, due to the fact they merged the two worlds into one combined timestream for some time, but both would get 4D via this method - neither game actually references the idea of the spacetime continuum or timeline being above the normal universe, so we’d personally hesitate to use this end, and it wouldn’t buff either’s AP - this would be equivalent to Uni+, which is below Low Multi, as being Low Multi inherently requires affecting multiple space time continuums. This argument shouldn’t really buff AP for either, and isn’t the strongest to use on either end. As well, the arguments for the universe being infinite is clear hyperbolic language - an infinite horizon isn’t good enough proof to say it’s actually infinite in size, especially when the game itself does not show this, and the name of the game is called Infinite and is based around the Infinity Stones. However, in terms of raw power, Kombat Rage is shown to be a much more potent buff then the Power Stone, meaning that Dark Kahn would hold an edge in raw power at the end of the day.

Regardless, as mentioned above, none of this would apply to their speed, so where do they get in speed? The best Ultron Sigma would scale to would be… uh… …dodging bullets, and Nova’s FTL statement.

On Dark Kahn’s end, he can dodge lightning from Raiden, and is comparable to Superman, who can dodge lightning from Captain Marvel and keep up with The Flash, who has statements of moving near light speed. There’s also Kahn shooting a beam from outside the universe. While a exact timeframe is unknown even assuming the beam took an insanely long journey like 1 month or even 100 years would still put Kahn way faster. They should be relative in speed - albeit, if you discard statements and the EE beam for speed, Dark Kahn would be faster overall thanks to his Rage amp. 

So, in this version of the bout, Dark Kahn’s similar strength and speed should give him the edge in stats.

Marvel vs. Capcom vs. Mortal Kombat

However, you might say that you should scale them to other games in their franchises. First, we’ll talk about the validity of this argument, and then go into how stats would compare with this in mind.

In terms of the other games in their franchises, the justification for Ultron Sigma scaling is… uh…

…uh…

…Nothing. No, seriously, nothing. Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite’s story contradicts previous MvC games (most prominently with Thanos not knowing about the Capcom universe), never references them, and was designed to be, as Mike Evans said, “For the first time now we're going to tell this story, explaining how the worlds came together. We're trying to push it away from its predecessors.” and “For all those reasons, we’ve decided to call it Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite instead of 4. 4 sounds like just an extension of 3.” 

The treatment of this game by the developers was as a fresh start for the vs. series, telling a proper story for the first time and trying to be pushed away from its predecessors. Its different artstyle, music, and character designs all reflect this. As a result, it doesn’t have any actual reason to be connected to previous MvC games, and as such we don’t really have a reason to scale Ultron Sigma to anything from the previous Vs games. They aren’t indicated to be canon to him, and there’s clear signs they probably aren’t.

However, for Dark Kahn, things are much simpler. Within a developer interview for MK11, MK vs. DC was stated to be a canon loop created by Kronika of the MK timeline. In addition to this, it’s referenced multiple times within MK11’s intro dialogues, cementing it as canon. 

So, in terms of validity for the scaling… realistically, Dark Kahn should get it, and Ultron Sigma should not. There is no real reason to give Ultron Sigma this scaling at all, he has no reason to say his game is canon beyond being a Marvel vs. Capcom game, and the context around MvC:I contradicts this even further. However, let's be generous here, and say Ultron Sigma does get it.

In terms of strength, nothing in any MvC game gets above what Ultron Sigma already possesses in raw power. However, speed is a different story. Wesker is able to do an FTL feat, which should get 2.72c, making him faster then Dark Kahn’s speed from just MK vs. DC. 

…However, Ultron Sigma isn’t the only one who benefits from home series scaling. Dark Kahn, as a fusion of Shao Kahn and Darkseid, would naturally scale to anything Shao Kahn has been shown to be capable of defeating Blaze, who can destroy all realms. As for how big realms are in Mortal Kombat? Bare minimum, we know all of them combined are a universe, but there are statements of the Netherrealm being infinite in size that within context, you could argue as being legitimate. Now, this is certainly lenient to Dark Kahn, especially given Shaolin Monks’ dubious canonicity, but considering Ultron Sigma is being given games he is not canon to, we believe it’s fair to apply this to Dark Kahn. Blaze was stated to be able to destroy all realms, which considering they should all be around relative in size, would be 7x Universal at its peak, which would make Dark Kahn even stronger then Ultron Sigma.

As for speed, MK itself doesn’t have many buffs for Dark Kahn.

However, you may be asking about Thanos’ infinite speed feat! Surely that should make Ultron Sigma speedblitz!

That’s the neat part, it’s fake.

First of all, the feat assumes the MvC universe is infinite based on the infinite horizon statement, which is pretty blatant flowery language and is a lot less usable then the aforementioned MK feats, and second of all…merging with the universe wouldn’t be infinite speed. It’d be a form of omnipresence, which is an ability, not a speed feat, and wouldn’t be applicable to Ultron Sigma since he has never used the stones this way nor does he have reason to.

Secondly, if you wanted to argue infinite speed feats, Titan scaling exists. While this is, admittedly, debatable, we believe it’s fairer to argue feats like Sub-Zero threatening to destroy all timelines, of which there are infinite, in comparison. At the very least, there is a feat here to talk about, meaning that Dark Kahn would be much faster if you used this argument. You could also argue much higher AP ends off of this, but regardless, it’s irrelevant, as Dark Kahn would relative or stronger even without Multi+ ends, these would simply turn the gap even more in his favor.

To conclude, with fairness to both, Dark Kahn should be the only one getting scaling to home series at all, as he’s the only one canon to the rest of his home series. However, even if you do give Ultron Sigma scaling to the rest of MvC, it at best makes him relative to Dark Kahn without any scaling to the rest of MK. MK scaling can be argued, but higher ends for it far exceed Ultron Sigma’s speed and power, and are more reasonable than any of Ultron Sigma’s higher ends. As a result, Dark Kahn should take this round with relative at worst or superior at best stats.

Cross Scaling

And now, the final round. Scaling Dark Kahn to Injustice and Ultron Sigma to 616 comics and the Capcom games.

To be blunt, in terms of usability, neither of these should really be used, but Dark Kahn has a stronger case for it. Both Injustice games reference the events of MK vs. DC within intro dialogues meaning that scaling to feats in Injustice isn’t too absurd, as Dark Kahn was an equal to Superman and Raiden, meaning he’d scale to every feat within Injustice.

As for Ultron Sigma, the argument is that since certain comics are referenced in other MvC games and that the Capcom characters games had to happen, he should scale to all of their feats.

That’s not how that works though.

First of all, referencing comic events does not mean those stories happened exactly as they did in those comics. You could argue the same sort of feats for Injustice, and either way that would be invalid, as events can happen in different ways despite being similar. Other Marvel games such as Ultimate Alliance or Rivals do similar things, and we wouldn’t use comic cross-scaling for them either, because they are not the 616 versions, they are separate Earths entirely with their own feats. Insomniac Spider-Man references comic events, should we scale him to comic Spidey now? In addition, 616 feats get consistently as strong as Ultron Sigma himself, someone who could only be beaten after being weakened by the heroes and then blasted with the Infinity Buster. It’d be very inconsistent to say that all these feats would be applicable when they make no sense narratively with the story the MvC games consistently tell of characters on this level needing everyone to help beat them.

The Capcom games are even more egregious, as we know they literally could not have happened the way they do in MvC. Mega Man X and Zero are separate universes despite being the same timeline, and are also happening at the same time as Resident Evil (modern day), Ghosts ‘n Goblins (medieval times), Bionic Commando (1990s), Okami (classical era Japan, pre 1200), and many more. These games cannot have happened the way they did in canon if they are all in one time period, and as such arguing scaling to them is absurd as a premise, and they should not be used. Even if they share similar stuff to their originals, they are not the same character.

We’d also like to point out that this kind of misses the point of scaling Marvel vs. Capcom as its own thing if we’re just… using feats from the canon material. No one wants to look at Ultron Sigma and just get a list of canon Marvel and Capcom feats, they want to know what Ultron Sigma can do himself. Boiling down MvC to just cross scaling Marvel and Capcom canon feats into it is just kind of… missing the point of scaling it at all, in our opinion.

But, fuck it, let’s be generous to Ultron Sigma. This at best gets him to 69 trillion c off of the Okami feat, and does not get him any higher in AP… which the low end of the He-Man crossover feat gets 203 trillion c, and the high end gets 800 trillion c, blitzing him entirely.

Yeah.

In addition, we also don’t think the arguments against Immeasurable Injustice are the most sound. Flash’s time travel being an ability doesn’t mean it’s not related to his main superpower of super speed, and there is no evidence to indicate Reverse Flash has any such ability. There would need to be evidence that his ability to travel through time isn’t via speed, considering he activates it by running fast and the Negative Speed Force has never been referenced in Injustice media once. So, you can argue Dark Kahn being even faster then he was before.

So, even if you use crossovers, which we would like to preface with the fact that the arguments for Dark Kahn are inconsistent in and of themselves with plot points from MK vs. DC and Injustice and the arguments for Ultron Sigma just ignore a lot of basic logic, Dark Kahn is still just as, if not stronger, and is now significantly faster than Ultron Sigma once again. Meaning Dark Kahn takes this round as well.

Summary

In terms of stats, Dark Kahn maintains a very consistent edge across every argument. He is always just as strong, if not a bit stronger, then Ultron Sigma, and maintains a consistent speed edge as long as you apply similar standards to both. In addition, Dark Kahn has actual arguments for getting scaling to other MvC games and to the likes of Injustice, while Ultron Sigma’s arguments for the same ends fall apart under even the slightest bit of scrutiny, making his arguments even weaker to match or surpass Dark Kahn in stats.

Arsenal & Abilities

The next factor for this debate is to look at what arsenal and abilities these two have at their disposal. Ultron Sigma and Dark Kahn can go practically blow for blow. Let's run down the list. Both have an impressive army at their disposal with Drones and Parademon, Both can shoot energy and in some cases even magic, Both have melee weapons they can create out of thin air, both can teleport, And both have major resistances to some of their more powerful abilities. For example Ultron Sigma doesn’t have blood or a soul of any kind, meaning Kahn’s blood and soul manipulation would not work, similarly Ultron Sigma’s BFR to cyberspace wouldn’t work on Dark Kahn as Shao Kahn being able to teleport between different planes of realities (I.E the realms of Mortal Kombat) which would allow him to escape. 

So the question now is… what don’t they have? Let’s start off with the space stone. The space stone can pull enemies closer, in gameplay it can help with combos so this seems like a sure fire wincon, pull Kahn closer and infect him right? Well it's more complicated than that, as Kahn could do the same with his telekinesis, pulling him closer and getting a combo for himself, Kahn also has used this move more than Ultron ever has seeing how he's a warrior whos been fighting for thousands of years, pretty much canceling each other out. There's also using the space stone to trap someone in a box where they can’t escape. Surely this can be an easy combo Ultron Sigma can do to guarantee his victory… Right? Well there are some issues with it. For one Kahn is still able to move in this small space, allowing him to attack and block if Ultron tries anything when coming in close. Kahn can also potentially teleport out. While some will point to Dr Strange being able to teleport and struggling to get out as an example of Kahn not being able to get out, there's more to it here. Even ignoring the questionable canon of MvC3 and MvCI, Gods in Mortal Kombat can escape the Netherrealm, an area where characters like Ermac and Quan Chi could not escape despite being able to teleport. Making the space stone’s strongest abilities unreliable to win in every regard. Now lets talk The Virus Vs Existence Erasure, The biggest part of this debate. First off, which is faster? The Virus in MvCI is wildly inconsistent as it took hours to infect Thor and Dr Light states it can take hours AT WORST to work, however some guards in the game were infected in a couple of seconds. This wild inconsistency could throw off this entire debate as if the virus takes too long Kahn is far more likely to score a win. However lets be extremely fair and assume the virus will take the quickest possible time to effect Dark Kahn, This presents a issue as he needs to actually touch Dark Kahn to do so, However Dark Kahn’s EE can not only hit from outside of the universe but has to be instant, Or else the Hero’s who were erased could have warned everyone of Dark Kahn ASAP. Think of it like this, A ranged Instant wincon VS A upclose debatably instant wincon. Now I know many of you will ask is it OOC? Dark Kahn didn't do it in his fight with Raiden and Superman, So what Gives? Well it’s important to note that his plan WAS NOT to kill everyone. He wanted everyone to give into the rage and battle one another.Seeing how Ultron can likely resist the rage Kahn is far more likely to use his major wincon. Giving him the edge.

Dark Kahn has the counters he needs it seems, However things can get even worse for Ultron Sigma when looking at what he cant resist. At a range it may seem neck and neck However Kahn can simply reflect or even absorb any projectile Ultron Sigma throws. Kahn can recharge off of souls and even buff himself with taunts and rage. And the big ability here, Immortality. Shao Kahn can come back even after his entire body is destroyed, so even if Ultron sigma could separate the 2, He couldn’t put down Kahn physically. Theres also tethering souls or possession. Dark Kahn upon death can move his consciousness into a new body. This ability is shockingly consistent as Shao Kahn himself has also done this to spirts. Seeing How the virus cannot infect someones consciousness it would mean Kahn could just come back with a new body no matter if its destroyed or corrupted, this would give Dark Kahn the ultimate edge in this trading of abilities. 

Tertiary Factors

Finally let’s look at some smaller factors. Both their best weapons the Virus and Existence Erasure have no counters, however if we assume the guards turning instantly is consistent Ultron would need to physically touch something to assimilate them. Kahn however can do it outside of reality, giving him the range advantage.This factor can go further as Kahn can just block, absorb, or even throw back any projectile Ultron Sigma throws thanks to his abilities. As for skill and experience, it may seem to favor Ultron Sigma as they were both robots created to be hyper intelligent. Not to mention actually being in combat as a combined unit unlike Dark Kahn. With that being said Dark Kahn is still Shao Kahn, a being who has fought in a fighting tournament for thousands of years, and while Ultron Sigma is super smart he’s never shown any true skills in martial art Kombat, Unlike Shao Kahn who has. This doesn’t even factor in Darkseid and the knowledge he knows when it comes to fighting. This means in long and CQC battles Dark Kahn has the advantage over Ultron Sigma, countering at a range and being a better fighter up close. Overall even looking at the smaller factors in the battle Dark Kahn still has a notable edge.

Conclusion

Dark Kahn

“Face each other or face me, it makes no difference. You. Will. FIGHT!”

Advantages:

• Always just as strong, if not stronger then Ultron Sigma, and has superior amps to him

• Much faster than Ultron Sigma a majority of the time, and at worst relative to him in speed in finite ends

• Has far better arguments for getting scaling to other games in his series or to get cross scaling at all

• Far better regeneration and survivability

• Existence Erasure is a more sure fire win condition than the Sigma Virus

• Far better martial arts capabilities 

• Far more experienced

• Matches, resists, or counters most of Ultron Sigma’s toolkit

• Changed fighting game single player forever (Think about it)

• Has a combined undefeated track record on DB

Disadvantages:

• Less combative screen time as Dark Kahn

• Not as book smart as Ultron Sigma 

• Potentially no answer to the Sigma Virus

• Killed Midway

• Made me read the Injustice comics - Cape

Shao Kahn and Darkseid, Ultron and Sigma. The combined might of both were threats to the strongest heroes and villains from their universe. With how vast both series are it may seem like this can go either way shockingly, Dark Kahn just has everything in his favor. Please note it is never our intention to so heavily scrutinize a side, however there is a huge difference between equal leniency and one having actual arguments that are usable. With that being said we did factor in Ultron Sigma’s arguments for scaling and it didn’t change a thing. At best Ultron Sigma can match Dark Kahn in power and speed but the rage amp just would mitigate any sort of closeness you can argue. This was also the best case scenario because the moment you bring up stuff like cross scaling to other games and Injustice the gap becomes even worse. Abilities do fair a bit better but still in Dark Kahns favor. Both have major counters and similar abilities but their huge wincons of Infection and erasing were something neither has dealt with before. However the little details matter, Even if we ignore the potential idea that Kahn can avoid the virus with possession and taking scorpions body, the Virus takes hours at worst to fully infect someone, and while some examples have him doing it instantly it requires him to physically touch someone. Unlike Dark Kahn who can erase someone across the universe in an instant. Sigma trapping Kahn wouldn’t work either as kahn can still fight and use abilities like telekinesis to push him away. Or hell just straight up teleport out. Giving another edge to Dark Kahn. The final nail in this fusion robot’s coffin is their experience and skill. Admittedly Ultron Sigma was more of an active threat throughout their story while Kahn just kinda shows up and loses in his one fight. However this is still part Shao Kahn we are talking about, a master at martial arts, a realm conquering entity, someone who's been alive for thousands of years. Something both Sigma and Ultron just could never compare to. That it then Khan takes stats, Abilities, and can win a fight no matter what range. These fearsome fusions threatened the Fate of the Universe but against Dark Kahns infinite power, Ultron Sigma was left enraged.

The Winner Is Dark Kahn.

Final Tally

Ultron Sigma (5) - Br3ndan5, Brokeinlimit, Capejedi, Riley, Round 1 Fight,

Dark Kahn (7) - Aggravating_Floor, door-kun, MomoUra, Stationsearcher, The_elemental2, The Big Iron Yoshi, Yerm

Undecided (2) - T0m, The Cardinal King

Afterword

So. Finally done, huh? This was announced on March 26th, meaning it has been about 3.5 months since this started. Apologies for that, things in real life and the blog were far from preferable. 

I am not going to speak much about it for obvious reasons, but things did not go well several times. Some work took longer than ideal to be completed, some people I allowed boons I shouldn’t have, and I have only myself to blame. Without getting specific, heavy accusations of bias were thrown around on both sides or in a verdict here, while claiming other things of that nature and insulting arguments repeatedly. This got so bad that I had to mute the chat for a time, where it didn’t even change much after, and even ended in one member of the blog I am friends with leaving entirely due to how toxic it got. Some engaged in practices I viewed as improper blog etiquette, but I am mostly past it now. It also went far past the original point of the match with unique versions of the characters by bringing in He-Man scaling of all things, and I’m sure some of you will not like that. In all honesty, I should have stuck to their original games only, and I’m sorry if this blog went past what you may like about the match. I can only apologize for anything you may not like, as well as how angry at times it got, which I have personally done to each member of the blog that this concerned. Please do not get angry at any member on the blog if you have issues, and I will be happy to answer any concerns about it or the toxicity. Regardless, thank you to my team for us completing the project, apologies for how it went at times, and have a blessed day. 

Thank you to any of the calcers like Raptor who helped so much, other sources and blogs, and to Riley. You gave so much to the blog, and were undoubtedly the shining star of it all with how you handled it. Thank you to Cyber and Toxin T Taker, who also contributed quite a lot in conversation. Next, I wrote a script a while ago, and you may enjoy if you like. My next blog is the long-awaited finale of the wave, and without further ado, here it is!

Next Time…

Dm or otherwise if you want to join. God Bless.